Posted on 08/04/2009 11:09:28 AM PDT by MissTickly
"Dear Orly:
PER YOUR CURRENT KENYAN BC: Are working FOR Obama, Orly? I am on to you.
THIS IS A SHAM. You knew the following BEFORE you filed your recent debacle in court. I know, I wrote and told you so did another poster:
This is not a good pursuit of things as it could result in placing The President's VITAL RECORDS under court seal, keeping, We, the People, who have Oversight of the agency, who has the Oversight of the records from legally viewing them per UIPA Provisions (§92F-12) (3) (15).
This is a legal and responsible route to pursue the documents. I have done so and asked that ’significant privacy information’ per exceptions found in (§92F-13(1) be omitted from the records. As lawyer, Orly knows this is true.
The ’significant privacy information’ per Obama’s Vital Records are these: DOB & Ethnicity
Place of birth, hospital, address at the time of birth, weight, etc.. ARE NOT considered ’significant privacy information’ per by the UIPA open records law in Hawaii and most states in America as far as I can tell.
These provisions in context of Fukino’s TWO public statements and the current political climate MANDATE that disclosure of his VITAL RECORDS serves the Public. (§92F-12) (3) (15)
UIPA STATUTE Part II: “To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved IN FAVOR OF ACCESS.”
DEAR ALL FREEPERS:
Orly, I believe, is working for OBAMA. Please urge her to step off, she's not helping the cause for truth. I suspect it is entirely intentional, too. She's a lawyer and knows about the Hawaiian OPEN RECORDS LAW. Yet, she hasn't tried to pursue it? There are TWO provisions that call for the public disclosure--she KNOWS THIS.
Think about it--where has she found all the resources to keep pursuing this when others have not? Has she ever helped this cause so far--in terms of GETTING ANSWERS?
WELL, I HAVE. This is MY story, that happened, Monday, July, 27:
On a whim I decided to try my hand at a question for Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Department of Health that holds the President’s vital records. Believe me when i say I have not sought an answer to the ‘birther’ question in any formal way ever before this day. I emailed her and I asked her about AMENDED original birth certificates, something which by sheer existence alone, usually (not always) indicates a person was ADOPTED:
In a nutshell, this is what I asked her:
“Ms. Okubo–
Director Fukino made this statement (Oct 2008): ““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures… ” Therefore, she has the statutory authority to answer this question:
“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?” Please reply with her answer.”
You see, they have the same statutory authority over an Amended Original Birth Certificate that they have over an (unamended) Original Birth Certificate. No one has to attest to an Amended Original Birth Certificate’s existence or have ‘tangible interest’ in the record. By virtue of STATUTORY AUTHORITY alone she can answer my question, AND she clearly says so.
But, to my surprise, at 11:47 p.m. on Monday, July 27, 2009 I got an electronic press release with a new statement, the first in EIGHT months with the ‘natural born citizen’ stuff people have been talking about all week:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
I had this sent directly to me by Janice Okubo, herself, in response to my emailed question. And I suspect I had it hours before the press had it. I searched Google for any reference to this statement. None. Not even FactCheck.org had it.
Of course, since they are able to drive the story through the media they needlessly added the stuff about being ‘natural born’ and ‘born in Hawaii’ to the answer to my question and to detract from the affirmative answer to my question and to fit their agenda. It was the headline on Yahoo! by the following morning.
But the answer to my carefully crafted question was there none-the-less:
“original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures...”
BECAME “original vital records [plural] maintained on file”
This was too vague for my taste, so I asked for clarity. So, I asked specifically if the Director would make a statement that she has the STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE: “As Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, I have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” But I got this in return: “The director has nothing further to add to her statements.”
I let Ms. Okubo know that I fear something is preventing Dr. Fukino from making statements she does have the authority to make. Duress? And told her I was compelled to tell someone. I did, I sent an email to two major networks.
ANYWAY: Knowing in my heart why they made that statement on Monday, I pressed on. I looked at the UIPA Open Records Act in Hawaii and found ANYONE can make a request--not just Hawaiians. So using the question I’d already asked, I filed a UIPA Information Request.
Then I thought about it some more. The way I worded it felt wrong and it seemed like an inappropriate way to use the UIP Act and I withdrew it immediately and telling them I didn’t have the stomach for it.
Then I went back and read the UIPA Guidelines thoroughly and found the provision(s) that require the RESPONSIBLE disclosure of ALL OBAMA’S VITAL RECORDS citing not one, but TWO provisions. I want you to read my formal request and the follow up statements I sent. Read them in the order I have listed them, which is backward in chronological order beginning with today’s follow up. I think they read better that way. They have 10 days to respond, and I have recourse beyond The Dept. of Health noncompliance if that’s the case. I can re-file with the Hawaii Office of Information Practices for thier ruling.
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None of this LEGITIMATE EFFORT will make a difference if Orly pursues this. She is a lawyer, she knows I have followed UIPA Guidelines per Hawaii's Open Records Law and that I have made a case for disclosure.
I feel I must expose this, and I am sorry if anyone disgrees but this has become apparent to me.
Thanks for listening with an open ear!
Re: (#7) on The Atheist Perversion of Reality
Poster’s Comment
<> Please say you are kidding. I am not endangering anyone by being atheist. You are paranoid. I think Jesus was a very wise and kind man. I just don’t believe he was the son of God (a god, whatever you are comfortable with). That doesn’t mean I expect you to think or believe the same and it serves as NO THREAT to anyone. People’s religious views are personal. Why attack them?
109549. Discarded comment by MissTickly. Signed up 2008-10-04. 409 items published.
I was fighting for women on an offensive and sexist thread. And that was in response to an offensive comment.
Here is the offensive thread, you can read my other comments throughout.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2295510/posts
Here’s another for example:
Re: Sotomayor
“Stopped reading at this point: “kind of like Michael Jackson, only not as feminine. “
Sick of the sexism from the left, sure don’t want to hear it from the right.”
Are you suggesting I hide who I am? Not be willing to carry on dialogue?
I am an Atheist, what does this have to do with anything?
<<>Re: (#7) on The Atheist Perversion of Reality
Poster’s Comment
<> Please say you are kidding. I am not endangering anyone by being atheist. You are paranoid. I think Jesus was a very wise and kind man. I just don’t believe he was the son of God (a god, whatever you are comfortable with). That doesn’t mean I expect you to think or believe the same and it serves as NO THREAT to anyone. People’s religious views are personal. Why attack them?
109549. Discarded comment by MissTickly. Signed up 2008-10-04. 409 items published.>
There is NO reason for that kind of response.
Oh, please. Of course I accept it. I am relieved to see there aren’t individuals that would purposely lie about me.
Apology accepted and THANK YOU!
might just be a gentle nudge towards the door to a site more fitting for your ideals.
You misunderstand me. I do this for the Constitution, just like you.
I want to protect the document that protects us from government.
“I don’t think that is quite it. But there IS more to this than just seeking the “truth.” She thinks this will help hillary. It isn’t to help obama. She’s wrong on both counts.
Wheels within wheels.”
I put this information on the forum for freepers to decide whether you are trolling or are a legitimate poster.
That’s all.
I thought it an invitation to leave gracefully.
<.< !
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Ok I am puzzled.
As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.
Hillary needs to move on!
The Geriatric,Gender confused X First Family, is no longer relevant or needed.
And what is your opinion of that?
Am I a troll or just trying to find common ground because I have no other group or party to identify with?
Why can’t you just talk to me and ask me questions? NOT post my comments out of context. I feel it’s unfair to me in that regard.
I will leave if you guys feel that strongly. What’s the consensus?
“I put this information on the forum for freepers to decide whether you are trolling or are a legitimate poster.
That’s all.”
yep :)
There’s more. “Turn” the page.
OK
I’ll ask my question again.
You say that Orly’s actions will cause the records you desire to be placed under seal. They are not yet under seal. Are they? What makes you think that they will be under seal any time soon? Why can’t you submit your records request now?
Take note of post 211. We feel very strongly about that and personal attacks. I hit “Abuse” on posts that cross the line. Regularly. Can YOU live with it?
I did submit. But they haven’t acknowledged it and they have 10 days.
Evidence for court, concerning vital records, is placed under seal during litigation.
I hope to get my request through in case they do go under seal, but I regret giving the impression that Orly may not have very noble intentions, indeed.
PLEASE. I ask you guys, forgive me.
I can. Everyone has a moment of weakness.
I always get a case of it, myself, when I see Bill Maher’s face.
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