Posted on 07/17/2009 11:52:36 AM PDT by Miztiki
An analogy you could use could be the crime stats after Austrailia banned guns. Also, Switzerland’s open gun policies and low crime rate. (ie., when the populace is armed, crime decreases)
An analogy you could use could be the crime stats after Austrailia banned guns. Also, Switzerland’s open gun policies and low crime rate. (ie., when the populace is armed, crime decreases)
mrs G wrote a similar paper, [ pro 2A related ] and the resulting grade cost her the class, and subsequently a year and a half catching up due to curriculum changes that semester and no grandfathering of her status in the education dept...
to this day im grateful that i never crossed that profs path when i wuz drinkin...
If I go to college, I’ll be a freshman carrying (I’d probably go to Utah). I’d be older than most of the seniors as well.
The last point in that John Ross pdf is already here.
Real simple; “if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns”. Of course that only applies to where outlaws may apt to be. History of school shootings is a bit of a clue. Good luck.
#41- Good analogy.
#43- That’s my fear. Topic was chosen for us though. Sorry about the Mrs. :-(
#45- Good link, thanks!
#46- Isn’t that ridiculous? To have a CCW and the ability to stop a massacre, but doing so would break the law and land you in bigtime legal trouble. This country is so screwy and getting more screwed by the minute.
#47- I’m older than some of the professors here. It’s wierd. Several of the students look to me when I answer a question or give an opinion. I’d really like to do well with this paper and get their little liberal minds thinking, but I have to work within the parameters I’ve been given if I want to get a good grade. How to do both in this format is a challenge.
#48- Two in a row. :-) You are correct, it is shaping up that way, isn’t it? Obama’s agenda scares me.
That’s a cute college grad.
Start (convincing yourself as well as beginning the framework of a paper) by comparing the murder and violent crime rates in cities and states where gun possession is tightly regulated (DC, Chicago, NY, etc.) with cities and states with lower levels of infringement.
Then, do some thought experiments. Does your school allow cars on campus? Do you support that position? Cars can in the wrong hands kill people, either accidentally or with intent. Would that fact justify the school in declaring itself a “car free zone”? More are killed by cars than by guns each year. Does your school have a swimming pool? Same story.
Now possession of those things aren’t even Constitutionally protected civil rights, so the bar to banning or significantly regulating them should be lower than with guns which are, and yet if you had a million student march trying to get pools or cars banned, people would look at you like you were nuts. Why the double standard?
Actually, to me, that sounds like a plan. People would skin you alive if you started a college and explicitly stated that liberal pussies weren't welcome, but if it's their own decision, what is one to do? [ shrug ]
Another is the added cost of evaluating and re-evaluating those with guns, regulating it all, etc.
Isn't the extreme level of regulation at the state level sufficient, without additional regulation at the school level? Why are the school officials so self important as to assume that the level of rights-trampling sufficient everywhere else in their state is somehow inadequate to the "special" needs of their precious enclave? Thus, why would there be any new costs to fear?
“..I don’t know what the solution is to prevent another Virginia Tech massacre from happening. I don’t know how to keep students safe from a nut intent on killing people...”
YOU can’t “prevent” ANYONE from starting a killing spree unless you are there on the spot and ARMED. Period.
There is nothing anyone can do to “prevent” it - but if a person or persons is/are armed, they can minimize the damage and impact that the active shooter can cause.
YOU are the First Responder - always. Not the cops, not the “campus security” (Rent-a-Cop jokes)- no one but you.
Here’s the deal - how much do YOU value YOUR life? NO ONE has the right to tell you you cannot defend your life. Carry, carry, carry, always and everywhere - discreetly, quietly, and unobtrusively.
The US Constitution is the LAW of the land; ANY laws passed in contrary/contradiction to “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” is null and void.
I know in the “real world” you can get arrested for carrying in some places, but YOU must make your own decision on this - what is your LIFE worth? What is your liberty worth? If YOU are killed, and the killer takes your cell phone, wallet, car keys, GPS, etc., he now has access to your family as well and they are at risk.
Be ARMED always, and everywhere.
THAT is the only way you will be able to do ANYTHING if the situation arises.
Laws that are are designed to disarm you make you a victim; you choose to be a victim, or you don’t. The law sure as HELL didn’t stop that little lefty Freak at VTech from doing what he did, did it?
You are a CITIZEN with RIGHTS. One of those rights is to be left unmolested and ALIVE at the end of a day, with the absolute right to use deadly force to yourself - THAT right is old than the Constitution - you do NOT have to ask ANYONE’S permission to defend yourself.
There’s your paper, brother.
LFOD
-Hale
Excellent
Murder is already illegal. A person or persons hellbent determined to kill on campus are going to be dissuaded by a no-guns policy? That’s silly. The only persons obeying that rule are the innocent and law-abiding, left defenseless at the hands of the murderous.
As for they who refuse to attend or teach at a school that allows CCW, the sign with the gun with the red line across it makes for a flimsy shield. Ya really want your sense of security to depend on a criminal’s being too polite to (for instance) walk on the grass or spit on the sidewalk?
Why do victims trapped and barricaded against a crazed gunman call for police at the earliest opportunity? Because the police arrive with guns. Of course, the police will secure the perimeter for their own safety first, so the unarmed victims will simply have to hold out just a little bit longer...
As for the cost of evaluating/regulating those legally carrying concealed, the gun owners theselves already pay for proof of their bona fides as demanded by the state prior to issue of the license. Unless the campuses are also requiring their students and faculty to obtain a campus-issued driver’s license before being allowed to drive on campus, this is a losing position for the school to take, and purely for the purpose for its value as an obstruction.
Another is potential lawsuits.
Another is for those who absolutely oppose guns on campus and refuse to attent or teach there.
Another is the added cost of evaluating and re-evaluating those with guns, regulating it all, etc.
That's simple. Just do a bit of research of a major university where concealed carry is allowed, i.e. University of Utah.
You could list all the dorm shootouts, lawsuits, lost staff and the costs of evaluation. Oh, wait, there have been no shoots by CCW's on campus. The only lawsuits were those pressed by the administration of the U until they were fed crow by the legislature, who cares if liberals leave in droves, and all costs are borne by Utah BCI, and a criminal background check is run every 24 hours on every Utah permit holder. There have been no Virginia type massacres here, either.
Other than that, concealed carry on campus has been an abject failure.
Police are *reactive*, not proactive.
First responders are the ones already on the scene.
Millions of Americans have guns, alcohol and college kids in their houses every day with no problems.
If these students and professors can’t be trusted to take care of themselves, how can we trust them with our future?
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