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To: Steve Van Doorn
I read here a few weeks ago that the State of Hawaii stopped issuing paper COLB long before 2007.

I think it was the Certificate of Live Birth, that is the original birth certificate, that some claim they stopped issuing in something like 2001. Not the Certification of Live Birth.

The problem with even that notion is that the Hawaii Home Lands program's website says that they require, or at least prefer the Certificate, and gives instructions on how to obtain a copy of it. OR IT DID. I just checked the link above, and it now says that they no longer issue Certificates of Live Birth.

Basically, in the past, it took longer, but cost the same. It took longer because they have to physically pull the original, or a microfilm copy of it and make a copy of that.

These days they could, and may, scan the original into an image file, store that, and call it up as needed, as easily as generating the Certification. The difference would be that the image would take a lot more storage to store an image, rather than the information contained on the Certification. But either way, all you'd have to do would be to print the image, or the information and the form it goes on, on demand, then stamping it with the seal, date and signature bloc.

The Home Lands Program site linked above, now says:

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

As I say that is recent change, sometime this year, well after the Birth Certificate controversy became widespread.

It used to say. "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

Sounds like the fix is in in Hawaii. However the original, long form, certificate, does still exist in their files, or so they say.

116 posted on 07/14/2009 10:15:43 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Thank you very much.


119 posted on 07/14/2009 11:19:54 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: El Gato

It used to say. "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

Click to enlarge:

Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula - DHHL requires the Certificate, p 1 Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula - DHHL requires the Certificate, p 2 Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula - DHHL requires the Certificate, p 3

154 posted on 07/16/2009 8:19:53 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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