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Update: Return to the Great Pyramid [ Bob Brier & Jean-Pierre Houdin ]
Archaeology ^ | Volume 62 Number 4, July/August 2009 | Bob Brier

Posted on 07/14/2009 4:59:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: Pietro
Imhotep lived centuries earlier, and I don't recall any text where he's described as a mason (and not as a freemason, in any case). The nice thing about esotericism is, it can be anything anyone wants it to be. The Egyptian pyramids have a history, and that involves development over time, and use as tombs. Imhotep was revered as the first to work in Egypt with stone on a massive scale, but the stone may have been artificial (and not space aliens or secret handshakes). Davidovits et al don't require any internal ramp, but obviously his geopolymerization model is completely compatible with the existence of one.
Great Pyramid's Stones Counted
by Jennifer Viegas
Discovery News
December 2002
A new study conducted by the Supreme Council for Antiquities in Egypt has determined that the Great Pyramid of Khufu at Giza consists of one million limestone rocks.

The number is under half of the previously estimated amount of 2.3 million stones, indicating that the Egyptian pyramid builders were even more organized and efficient than previously thought.

Zahi Hawass, secretary general of the Supreme Council, said that the Great Pyramid was considered to be a national project that all Egyptians took part in, according to an Egyptian State Information Service report last week. The report also mentioned that Hawass and his team analyzed the administrative organization and work scheme used in the construction of the 450-foot tall monument.
In the Fall 2002 issue of KMT Anthony P. Sakovich showed his systematic approach to estimating the number of stones (some larger, some smaller) in the Khufu pyramid, arrived at a figure of 4 million, and Zahi's response was to say that Khufu's consisted of perhaps one million stones, and each was, on average, less than 2 tons each.
41 posted on 07/14/2009 11:34:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Look at his wish list (what’s #1?):"

The wise one...I have that book.

42 posted on 07/14/2009 1:02:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
"The wise one...I have that book. "

Check that.

Rush calls him the Great One not, the wise one.

43 posted on 07/14/2009 1:21:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
"Imhotep was revered as the first to work in Egypt with stone on a massive scale"

And someone that works w/ stone is known as a what?

Come on, what's that called? Could it be a mason?

At any rate, my point was that the art of masonry has always involved the movement of vast weights up to great heights. I think we underestimate the genius of those people by assuming that they could only move those stones w/ brute force.

BTW, the mortar used in the pyramid was made w/ ox blood so why would they have humans pulling sledges if there were oxen around?

Zahi Hawass is a flagrant self promoter. Exactly how did he analyse the "administrative organization and work scheme used in the construction of the 450-foot tall monument" when there is exactly no documentation extant of its construction?

"geopolymerization"???

44 posted on 07/14/2009 1:29:49 PM PDT by Pietro
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To: Pietro
No mastermason worthy of the name would have wasted the energy and time required to build useless ramps.
And yet, the ramps are there.
Those ramps are obviously not there for the purposes of construction, but rather served some as yet undefined purpose.
Those ramps are obviously there for purposes of access to the inner chamber, and the Grand Gallery was demonstrated to have been put there for construction purposes.
the art of masonry has always involved the movement of vast weights up to great heights
The art of masonry began with brickmaking. Three of the largest stones ever shaped and moved are the three big ones at Baalbek (two are circa 800 tons, one is circa 1000 tons).
I think we underestimate the genius of those people by assuming that they could only move those stones w/ brute force.
Do you think they used magic wands? Of course they used muscle power to move stones. During the New Kingdom, the self-aggrandizing pharaoh Ramses II "the Great" (I think it was) regretted the death of one or more of the workers moving a 100s of tons statue of himself, because they died by being crushed as it was pushed along.

It's probable that ancient and even prehistoric people used levers, ropes, rollers, pulleys, but there's little surviving regarding what exactly was used to construct the Great Pyramid.
45 posted on 07/14/2009 5:56:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Ah yes evolution at work in building - gotta love it. Problem is that the space of time between these building is too great.

The builders from one time would be long dead, before the next ediface gets built. They would have needed constant practice to continue the skills and knowledge across multiple generations - but no evidence that happened. They would have to relearn the entire skill set all over again.

Like closing the F22 line. Once those workers are gone, the line is gone, the skills are gone. New workers have to be trained for the next new fighter to be built. Time between is short for this and can be done, but if it were centuries, not so much.

But you aviod answering the central question: Can one tell the difference between original building and a major later reconstruction?

“There’s no reason to believe that the Great Pyramid was built significantly earlier...”

True, if you discount all the reasons that do not fit “modern” linear, peer-reviewd thought. Truth is Eqyptologishs and others dealing in antiquity are scared to death to look at any explaination for anything other that their preconcieved notions because they will have no answers, and look stupid, so they stick to their current screed.

And everyone in the scientific community knows what happens when someone proposes an idea which goes against the prevailing theories when it is time for peer review.

If it threatens the “authority”, the theory under which all labor, which provides the grants, then that new idea, that new scientist is shunned, gets no money, is quickly discounted and like Wagner, dies poor in obscurity.


46 posted on 07/26/2009 5:33:11 AM PDT by PIF
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Well, I’m not gonna waste any more time on this. Bye.


47 posted on 07/26/2009 5:35:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Lexxtex -- the Hidden Secret of the Great Pyramid's Construction Uncovered

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48 posted on 05/25/2014 9:26:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; Pietro

Maybe the ramps were built by Not-so-free-Masons.


49 posted on 01/05/2015 9:43:02 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Pietro
How did one, tiny man build all this ?

Actually, the question is... how did he build all this, then take it apart, load it onto trucks, move it to another location and build it all again, all by himself ?

50 posted on 01/05/2015 9:49:17 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

It’s amazing the amount of work you can get done just w/ a Bobcat.


51 posted on 01/05/2015 11:08:44 AM PST by Pietro
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To: SunkenCiv

Wonderful item. Combined with ANTHONY P. SAKOVICH’s article on alignment I now have a much more interesting view of matters Pyramidal. Thanks.


52 posted on 01/25/2015 9:44:27 PM PST by elderlyrstaff
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