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To: PeaRidge
“...it was the well-publicized movement of a Union war fleet of approximately eleven ships carrying approximately 2,000 troops and munitions sailing under orders to form on April 12 off Charleston harbor and begin any action necessary to collect tariff revenues from the State of South Carolina...(Source of Sumter war fleet taken mainly from-“Days of Decision” by Maury Klein)”>

Your whole tale kind of falls apart there. Eleven ships? Two thousand troops? What kind of fantasy world are you and Maury living in? None of that is supported by the Official Record or any reputable book on Sumter that I've read. Six or seven ships. About 300 troops. And a load of food and supplies.

988 posted on 06/29/2009 5:24:06 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

You said: “Your whole tale kind of falls apart there...”

You did not bother to read the entire article. Criticize what you will, but be sure you are right before you start.


1,024 posted on 06/30/2009 2:20:07 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Non-Sequitur; stand watie; lentulusgracchus
And, Non, while you are thinking things over, who do you think paid for this gigantic invasion of Ft. Sumter and Ft. Pickens at Pensacola?
1,026 posted on 06/30/2009 2:25:45 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Non-Sequitur; PeaRidge; All
say, N-S, i thought you DAMNyankee lunatics believed that the OR was a “southern conspiracy to injure the union” & "cannot ever be believed"???

at least that's what the former “leader” of “The DAMNyankee Coven” (whiskey papa) said in one of his rants against southerners.

to ALL: EVERYTHING that makes the DAMNyankee ELITISTS (you know, the DYs like "DIShonest abe & his merry band of thieves,war criminal, thugs & war profiteers") look less than PERFECT, in the eyes of the REVISIONIST lunatics, must be WRONG. such FACTS are all a "rebel conspiracy".(sarcasm button: ON)

laughing AT you & the rest of "the coven".

free dixie,sw

1,029 posted on 06/30/2009 2:35:27 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
You said: "Your whole tale kind of falls apart there. Eleven ships? Two thousand troops? What kind of fantasy world are you and Maury living in? None of that is supported by the Official Record or any reputable book on Sumter that I've read. Six or seven ships. About 300 troops."

You are being deceptive and absurd. The data given by Klein is based on the Official Records, and you have been given three sources to support that...including your favorite--"The Official Records". Klein flatly states that there were varying numbers on the original troop counts and what eventually arrived at Ft. Sumter and Ft. Pickens. Here is what he quotes:

http://books.google.com/books?id=9y4OAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA5-PA49&lpg=RA5-PA49&dq=fort+sumter+baltic+atlantic+lane&source=bl&ots=A51jNWXB3e&sig=vtLf-caZrA0i5FdJ1c1Up0WAl8Q&hl=en&ei=wZxQSunTC8GJtgeIpeSzBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

If you have trouble with the count, you will see it is 11 ships and 1400 men and troops according to this official record.

But this is off the point, which was your denial that there was ever a "secret" effort on Lincoln's part to deceive the Confederate leaders, which I have shown you is completely false.

1,131 posted on 07/05/2009 6:49:32 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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