Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck
Americans? I would say that in 1861 every southerner would have said cram your Union. The fearless leader of the Yankees, the Illinois Butcher, stated he would have prevented the war if he could by freeing none of the slaves. No, in my opinion, the war of Northern aggression was simply a naked act of Federal power over sovereign states. Since slavery is not an issue anymore, what justification would the Feds use to crush a seceding state(s) now?
Nonsense - those states ratified an amendment to end slavery.
YEP, that's the TRUTH, which will be revealed to everyone. i also note that you never told everyone WHICH weak/stupid/SELF-servinging excuse that you will try to "get your tail of of the crack" that you put it in with your LIES.
laughing AT you, as everyone soon WILL.
free dixie,sw
may i also remind you that about TWO DOZEN of the former members of "The DAMNyankee Coven" have been PERMANENTLY BANNED for their crazed antics, general all-around HATEfulness & bigotry???
otoh, the "good 'ole rebs" of FR have lost exactly ONE southeron since i joined FR. that was "nolo chan", who was banned for DIRECTLY QUOTING "DIS-honest abe, the clay-footed plaster saint of DAMnyankeeland" in his OWN words.
free dixie, sw
All you have to do is tell us what page Blackerby says this on. What I can find in Blackerby is him citing the 1860 census saying that there were only 240,000 free blacks in the whole confederacy.
i remember that the 100,00-150,000 number is on the RIGHT side page, at the top of the page & relatively "early" in the book.
free dixie,sw
In other words I have a copy of the book but am unable to post the page because it doesn't exist. If you're convinced I'm lying then why can't you post the page and prove me wrong? Where's the book, stand waite?
Blackerby seems to accept the 240,000 free blacks in the confederate states number without question. Any comment on that?
Had all 15 slave states held together opposing the amendment, it would have taken 46 states to ratify it. Care to do the math?
in other words, you are a KNOWING LIAR & will (when i get the book from ILL) be HUMILATED, when the TRUTH is posted.
laughing AT you.
free dixie,sw
the census records (flawed though they certainly are),the TAX records,birth records,land titles,tribal records, manumission papers, the various state CSA pension records & many other public records indicate that the 240K number is FAR too LOW.
free dixie,sw
So long as you continue to call me a liar for not posting a page that doesn't exist then I'm going to continue to call you on your lie about ordering the book from the library. If you did order then where is it?
slavery was a hideous evil BUT nobody's hands, north or south, were CLEAN.
free dixie,sw
ask me again & look even DUMBER to "real people" (that's persons of NORMAL IQ, which doesn't include most of the "coven".)
to those of you who don't know: it is NOT uncommon for ILL to take 90-180 day, especially given that MANY books are FEW in public collections & do NOT want to risk sending the books out. (N-S is perfectly aware of this FACT.)
free dixie,sw
After 4 years of rebellion and once their legislatures had been replaced with Unionists.
US Constitution, Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
.25X = 15
X = 15 /.25
X = 60
central_va: "Americans? I would say that in 1861 every southerner would have said cram your Union. The fearless leader of the Yankees, the Illinois Butcher, stated he would have prevented the war if he could by freeing none of the slaves. No, in my opinion, the war of Northern aggression was simply a naked act of Federal power over sovereign states. Since slavery is not an issue anymore, what justification would the Feds use to crush a seceding state(s) now? "
Americans? The majority of Americans then lived in the northern states.
The South seceded to prevent the possibility of slavery's abolition. But secession did not start the Civil War -- the South firing on Fort Sumter did.
Once war began, the North's goals were first restoring the Union, later abolishing slavery.
On your final question, I'd say the issue of succession was settled in the Civil War, along with slavery.
Unless, of course, he never says that. Or he's including slaves in the total. Certainly large numbers of slaves accompanied their masters or were hired out to build fortifications, etc.
For example, I can find, on page 6, where Blackerby says that "While Negroes, both slave and free, were engaged on the Confederate side, their usefulness was constantly limited by the question of arming them." So is this number you claim in Blackerby counting slaves and free? Is it "served IN the Confederate army" or "SERVED the Confederate army"?
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