Targeting Lost Causers

Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

[Non-Sequitur]

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You have no understanding of the regional hate between Southerners and Northerners, any excuse would have been acceptable to a true Southerner to get away from the North. Ending slavery would have HELPED the average non-slave owning farmer. They fought to end a terrible relationship despite their own self interest.

Of course, many non-slaveowners weren't interested in secession. Some fought for the Union, others tried to stay out of the conflict, or got dragged into it by Confederate conscription.

But the prospect of becoming rich through slaveowning and cotton growing enticed a lot of Southerners to support secession, even if they didn't have slaves themselves. And racial fears were also a factor at work.

Was there pride in being Southern? Of course, also a them vs. us factor. But the idea that North-South hatreds apart from slavery -- some eternal cavalier vs. puritan conflict -- caused the war is more than a little far-fetched.

[stand watie]

still trying to "change the subject" AWAY from your KNOWING, clumsy,LIES, huh?? (it won't work anymore, LIAR, as everyone here is "onto your game".)

the TRUTH is that you were DUMB enough to TRY to drag my teen-aged niece into this incident, when you "caught your tail in the gate", but were FOOLISH enough to NOT know her REAL NAME. (to those FReepers who DO know my young niece from SAS, FReeps, tea parties, etc, that made you look REALLY clue-LESS, STUPID & HATEFUL.)

laughing AT you, LIAR.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

as i've said before (to you) on this subject, are you DUMB/ignorant enough to believe that BILGE and/or do you HOPE that your readers are brain-DEAD enough to believe that pack of LEFTIST/statist REVISIONIST lies???

free dixie,sw

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

I'm just reporting what the email was signed, which also matches the initials publicly posted on the CL site. I never said it was really your niece. I've always suspected it was you, clumsily perpetrating a fraud to bolster your case for their being such a book and showing your usual lack of imagination in doing it. After all, the story about the nice man paying "Tara's" entire student debt was a story you'd told before, about a car.

The fact that you showed up on here, proudly pointing to an ad on the Providence, RI Craigslist that you'd just happened to stumble upon really gave away the game from the beginning. From then on it was just a matter of seeing what fashion its unravelling would take. You didn't disappoint.

By all means, though, have some of your remaining Freeper friends check in to register their disapproval. You do still have Freeper friends, don't you? Or have you estranged the last of them?

[central_va]

some eternal cavalier vs. puritan conflict -- caused the war is more than a little far-fetched.

It's clear you know nothing, NOTHING....

[central_va]

While you might not know it, to me anyway, the type of reasoning, logic and projection displayed by the neo-Yankee can be very nazi-like.

[rockrr]

Oh no, Stand Watie still has tons of FRiends - of course they’re all disembodied voices in his pointed little noggin, but at this point he’ll take anything he can get...;’}

[rockrr]

No thanks

[Non-Sequitur]

...to me anyway...

You think Yankees are Nazis. Big freakin' surprise there.

[Non-Sequitur]

I can delegate authority to my Son {take charge of the lawnmower}or{placing him in charge of our fence line}That doesn't make him my master!

And can your son then go and sell said lawnmower to the guy down the street? Or tear down the fence and sell it for scrap wood? Or are your rules and regulations the Supreme Law of the Household, your son's wishes to the contrary notwithstanding?

[Rustabout]

'I guess I hit a nerve.'

I had thought that N-S was the only Lincoln lover that was rather obsessed with the underneath of boots but,I digress.

'Really, leaving slavery out of the story of secession is like leaving Communism out of the Russian Revolution. It was around then, and a big part of the picture, though it may hurt some people to admit the importance of the defence of slavery to the secessionist leadership.'

Really, leaving Marxism/Bolsheviks out of Lincoln's sick and demented mind is like eating cheerios without milk!

[Non-Sequitur]

I had thought that N-S was the only Lincoln lover that was rather obsessed with the underneath of boots but,I digress.

Digress? Not at all. Your string of idiotic posts continues unabated.

Really, leaving Marxism/Bolsheviks out of Lincoln's sick and demented mind is like eating cheerios without milk!

Well you would certainly know about dementia, wouldn't you?

[Rustabout]

‘You think Yankees are Nazis. Big freakin’ surprise there.’

Y'all jest ain't a whistling Dixie!

Hitler was rather impressed by Trash heap Lincoln

I just wonder? Grandfather? Ahh Shucks.. He must have been Kin..

Both scum of the lowest order and both died a bit to late

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Hitler was rather impressed by Trash heap Lincoln

Another Lost Causer myth. You can't find a single Hitler quote where he even mentions Lincoln by name, much less tells how impressed he is by him.

[Non-Sequitur]

Hitler was rather impressed by Trash heap Lincoln

I think Hitler had more in common with Jeff Davis, considering both ran countries who's economies were dependent on slavery.

[BroJoeK]

"What, they weren't already united in a Union?"

The American Union began, modestly & humbly, on September 5, 1774 with the first meeting of the First Continental Congress.

There were no States then, only Colonies of Great Britain.

The American Revolution began in April the following year, 1775, at Lexington and Concord.

There were no States then, only Colonies of Great Britain.

The Federal Government of the United States began in May 1775, with the meeting of the Second Continental Congress. This government created the Continental Army and appointed Congressman George Washington its Commander in Chief.

Still there were no States, only Colonies of Great Britain.

Then Congress immediately "assumed all the functions of a national government, such as appointing ambassadors, signing treaties, raising armies, appointing generals, obtaining loans from Europe, issuing paper money (called "Continentals"), and disbursing funds."

There STILL were no States, only Colonies of Great Britain.

"On July 6, 1775 Congress approved a "Declaration of Causes outlining the rational and necessity for taking up arms in the Thirteen Colonies." On July 8, Congress extended the Olive Branch Petition to the British Crown as a final attempt at reconciliation. However, it was received too late to do any good."

STILL no States, only Colonies of Great Britain.

"On May 10, 1776, Congress passed a resolution recommending that any colony lacking a proper (i.e. a revolutionary) government should form such. On May 15 Congress adopted a more radical preamble to this resolution, drafted by John Adams, in which it advised throwing off oaths of allegiance and suppressing the authority of the Crown in any colonial government that still derived its authority from the Crown."

There STILL were no States, only Colonies of Great Britain, and some of those were very reluctant to join the Revolution.

Finally, on July 4, 1776, going on two years after the American Union was formed, CONGRESS (NOT the States, and no state by itself) issued the Declaration of Independence, which declared the UNITED COLONIES to NOW be "free and independent States."

But, as Lincoln pointed out, on July 4, 1861 to Congress:

"even then the object plainly was not to declare their independence of one another or of the Union, but directly the contrary, as their mutual pledge and their mutual action before, at the time, and afterward, abundantly show.

"The express plighting of faith by each and all of the original thirteen in the Articles of Confederation, two years later, that the Union shall be perpetual is most conclusive.

"Having never been States, either in substance or in name, outside of the Union, whence this magical omnipotence of "State rights," asserting a claim of power to lawfully destroy the Union itself? "

[central_va]

You’re dealing with fascists, logic won’t work.

[Non-Sequitur]

Also contrary to some reports, the Nashville did not proceed into the harbor, but because of the presence of Union Warshiping, she anchored off the bar for her own protection. This of course became a blockade of shipping, and arguably the first true act of war.

Your own source says that the Nashville was allowed to proceed once she identified herself. If it was not the U.S. forced preventing her from entering Charleston then how can it be a blockade?

The principle of causality dictates that there was nothing of necessity in the southern actions at Sumter that caused the war of Federal invasion into Virginia to happen.

I would disagree with that. The Southern confederacy initiated hostilities when they bombarded Sumter. Virginia, for reasons of her own, chose to join the rebellion and there was no incursion of federal troops into Virginia territory until after she had cast her lot with the forces of rebellion.

And when the first one arrived, the Harriet Lane, it fired on the confederate civilian vessel Nashville.

If the Nashville was a 'confederate civilian vessel' then why did it raise the Stars and Stripes? Ruse de guerre?

True causality began with that choice made by Abraham Lincoln to order troops to be called up, to order a blockade, and became manifest in his order of Federal troops into Virginia. It is he who thus bears ultimate responsibility for the war's occurrence.

The responsibility lies with those who started the war to begin with. Jefferson Davis and his regime.