Targeting Lost Causers

Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

[stand watie]

"DUH, snake", WHEN are you going to get the message that there are NO "neo-confederates" anyplace but in the fevered/BIGOTED/south-HATING mind of morris dees, the SHYSTER-in-chief of the so-called "southern poverty law center"???

every time you use that STUPID "term of abuse" (and that is what it is.) you make yourself look even less intelligent than most FReepers believe you to be. otoh, southern TURNCOATS are seldom thought to be "mental giants" or they wouldn't BE turncoats.

free dixie,sw

[Colonel Kangaroo]

"moral equivalent of enslavement"

Poor southern slave owners. I'll bekieve in a true moral equivalence when the moral equivalent of slavery involves the right of the moral equivalent of the slaveowner to buy and sell his human property so as to break up the God-established institution of marriage as stated in Matthew 19:

"...he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female... for this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh"

Thus I do not believe the "moral equivalent of slavery" was really the moral equivalent of slavery. The Confederates never caught on to the fact that there is more in the Bible than "curse of Canaan" and "servants obey your masters".

[stand watie]

OK. let's get you "on the record", too. - one member of "your side" ("race bannon") indicates that the Black CSA volunteers were TOO STUPID to know what they were fighting for. (evidently he believes that Black people are INCAPABLE of understanding what the war was about.)

tell everyone, N-S: were the many brave/honorable BLACK VOLUNTEERS of the CSA too stupid to know what they were fighting FOR??? (a simple YES or NO answer,please. stripped of your usual bilge/HALF-truths/lies/propaganda/"changing the subject"/etc..)

free dixie,sw

[aruanan]

I suppose that some may believe that the fact that human beings are not able to own other human beings any longer in America is disgraceful, but that would be a minority view.

The old canard used to justify all, just as it was in the 1860's. Funny, isn't it, that slaves in the Old South over a lifetime had only about 10% of the fruits of their labor expropriated? Now people are claiming that, well, the government may take almost 50% of everything we earn and has indebted us with over $60 trillion in unfunded obligations that will have to be paid through taxes on us and on generations to come and will soon dictate how much and what kind of health care we can have and what kind of cars we can drive and how we have to dispose of our trash and what kind of light bulbs we can use, but, hey, we've still got our freedom, man!

[stand watie]

have you bothered to read the letter that lincoln , "the clay-footed, secular saint, of DAMNyankeeland" said about MAKING SLAVERY PERMANENT by Constitutional Amendment???

lincoln was a stone RACIST & couldn't have cared LESS about slavery or "freeing the slaves", EVER.

ALL he was interested in was more POWER for himself & more MONEY his "merry band of thugs, war criminals, freebooters, BIGOTS, etc." that composed the "high command" of the unionist MAL-administration.

free dixie,sw

[Colonel Kangaroo]

As onerous as the burdens created by overgrown government, it still does not incorporate the loathsome feature of old Dixie slavery alluded to in post #122. Remember, we are the party of family values.

[stand watie]

inasmuch as the NORTHERN SLAVEOWERS sold their slaves, when slavery became UN-profitable in the north AND after TWBTS, when slavery became UN-lawful in the USA, they sold their remaining slaves "south" to the places where slavery remained lawful.(the hypocrisy was even worse for the "abolitionists", who were IN the slave trade while railing bitterly against southern slavery!!!)

a "really principled stand", don't you think???

laughing AT your pitiful attempt to "whitewash" the BIGOTS/slavers/RACISTS/hypocrites of the north.

free dixie,sw

[Colonel Kangaroo]

I’ve got no use for the Yankee dealers in buying and selling humanity either. It’s just that by the time the rupture of 1860 occurred, the Yankee menstealers had lost their political power. But no section or ethnic group had a monopoly on virtue or vice. To quote another Bible verse, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, despite what one might have sometimes heard otherwise from certain people in the vicinity of Massachusetts.

[aruanan]

it still does not incorporate the loathsome feature of old Dixie slavery alluded to in post #122.

Which feature is that? Remember that the first slaves in the West Indies and in the Colonies were white. Slavery was not inherently racist. For instance, a much greater percentage of free blacks in the South owned slaves than did Southern whites.

[aruanan]

The Confederates never caught on to the fact that there is more in the Bible than "curse of Canaan"

Curse of Canaan? There was a curse of Cain and some, like Mormons, have referred to the offspring of Ham (blacks) as being cursed for the sin of their father in having looked upon and mocked a naked, drunken, and passed-out Noah.

[stand watie]

oh really??? how about GARRISON, STANTON, BUTLER & a HOST of other DAMNyankee "leaders", who were "up to teir ears" IN the slave TRADE, right up to the moment when it became UN-lawful in the USA (after the WBTS!), while being prominent "abolitionists".

free dixie,sw

[Colonel Kangaroo]

Post #122 is not dealing with race at all, it’s dealing with marriage and the fact that in the American system of slavery, property rights were placed above God’s institution of marriage.

[aruanan]

Post #122 is not dealing with race at all, it’s dealing with marriage and the fact that in the American system of slavery, property rights were placed above God’s institution of marriage.

And what about the institution of marriage and the family within the American system of slavery? How did they compare with slavery elsewhere in the New World? What effects did they have on the importation of slaves to America from Africa?

[Colonel Kangaroo]

Curse of Canaan the son of Ham, found in Genesis 9:25 and used by some Southern preachers as a biblical justification for their institution of slavery:

"And (Noah) said, Cursed [be] Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren"

The fact that Canaan only encompassed the early inhabitants of Palestine and not the African Cushite race was missed by the slavery apologists.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

If I was a slave owner who had absolute property rights as Dred Scott ruled, I could sell my slave Mr. Jones to another man across the country and still keep Mrs. Jones on my plantation, breaking up the marriage.

[Nosterrex]

I was reading Mark Levin's book and his chapter on Federalism. He made the point that the federal government not only allowed slavery, but supported it. If the federal government and the Supreme Court had not violated states rights, perhaps things would have been different. Slavery is the moral argument Statists use to justify their reason for ignoring the 10th Amendment. It does not only affect the states of the Confederacy, but it affects every state and every resident of the United States. We no longer have a federal constitution but a national constitution. We have today what the Founders of this nation blatantly opposed.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

I’m not familiar with the salve trading activities of the guys you mentioned, but I still think the besetting sin of the abolition movement was self-righteousness more than pure hypocrisy. That’s one reason I greatly admire Lincoln. He was able to temper his revulsion to slavery with an empathy for the hard dilemmas facing the people of Dixie. Empathy was a human quality too much in short supply on all sides in 1860.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

I looked at the title of this book and the comments by the author, who does not attempt to hide his biases, and if this is the sort of sources that you are using to form your views,

Of course Hurlburt was biased. But the accounts of Sherman's actions were biased too. Almost every contemporary account had an ax to grind and must be taken with a grain of salt. But there's enough evidence beyond this book to show that Hurlburt was on to the truth. There is evidence that the elderly paralyzed Levi Trewhitt was thrown into a Confederate prison without due process for polittical reasons where he died. There is evidence that Confederate Congressman William Tibbs was an aggressive slave trader. There was evidence that Fantroy Carter was murdered by Confederates. There is evidence that the Tennessee Confederate state government systematically violated the 2nd Amendment by their gun confiscation scheme. Hurlburt does not relate any unknown themes, but merely details the already revealed ugly face of Confederate despotism.

[calex59]

I have two questions to ask anyone who thinks the war between the states was about slavery:

1.)What year did the war start?

2.)A:When was the emancipation proclamation issued B:and for what states?

If you answer the second question with a date after the war started, and answered part B only the states that seceded from the Union, then you have to ask yourself: How could this war have started over slavery if slavery was still legal when the states seceded and the northern slave states were allowed to keep their slaves?

I realize that you will spin your answers and try to justify Mr. Lincoln but in reality, he was a tyrant and the north were oppressors, pure and simple.

[stand watie]

say, "Roo", are you smart enough to know that your "sainted lincoln" was nothing more than a cheap,scheming, arrogant shyster lawyer, who was ONLY concerned with getting more PERSONAL POWER & more MONEY for his cohorts-in-crime???

he was just as decent a person as BHO & wee willie klintoon are. they were/are three of a kind.= amoral, throughly dishonest & SELF-impressed.

btw, i didn't know that anyone spent a lot of time trading "salve". could it be that you don't know the difference in "salve" & "slave"???

laughing AT you.

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