Posted on 05/30/2009 7:58:11 PM PDT by Colofornian
Oh? And you know this how?
Have you heard him preach?
You know what I'm thinking? You know what I believe? You know what church I go to?
Why are you so obsessed with lynching people?
We keep telling you that not everybody thinks like you but it just doesn’t seem to sink in.
We don’t advocate violence against those who disagree with.
Does it make you feel special to have such a persecution complex?
Even worse, I don’t care. I believe you can have whatever religion you desire, including none at all. I merely respond to anti-mormon bloviation.
Protestants have a history of lynching anyone they don’t like. Including mormons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Rockwell
A hit man being the bodyguard of a religious leader but the choice of the leader. One would have to question the discernment of said leader to so closely affiliate himself with one like that.
What a charming character. /s
But Mormons never do anything wrong, now do they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Rockwell
Sources? Anything but your say so?
I’m sure you can find links to support your accusation.
I notice that you seem afraid to include Haun’s Mill, Lilburn Boggs’ extermination order, the lynch mob that murdered Joseph and Hyrum Smith. The only thing you seem to have is Mountain Meadows.
So, over 179 years there is one incident you can attribute to us when we played by the rules set by Protestants? Well, that seems like a pretty fancy way of abrogating your own responsibilities. Perhaps you should check out the beam in your own eye.
There were thousands of lynchings in the United States between 1830 and 1970. None can be attributed to Mormons.
I would be one of those who the mormons practiced "blood atonement" on for apostasy, wouldn't I?
Would you obey the order of your Bishop to carry out the practice? Is that the purpose for which you carry the "Peacemaker" you boast about in your tagline?
- Prophet Brigham Young, Deseret News, April 16, 1856
“I say, rather than that apostates should flourish here, I will unsheath [sic] my bowie knife, and conquer or die [Great commotion in the congregation, and a simultaneous burst of feeling, assenting to the declaration.]. Now, you nasty apostates, clear out, or judgment will be put to the line, and righteousness to the plummet [Voices, generally, ‘go it, go it.’]. If you say it is right, raise your hands [All hands up.]. Let us call upon the Lord to assist us in this, and every good work.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, p. 83;
There’s nothing that said it was a *lynch mob*. Now, since Smith tried to impose martial law illegally
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.
Smith declared martial law on June 18 and called out the Nauvoo Legion, an organized city militia of about 5,000 men, to protect Nauvoo from outside violence.
On June 25, 1844, Joseph and Hyrum Smith, along with the other fifteen city council members and some friends, surrendered to Carthage constable William Bettisworth on the original charge of riot. Almost immediately Joseph and Hyrum were charged with treason against the state of Illinois for declaring martial law in Nauvoo, by a warrant founded upon the oaths of A. O. Norton and Augustine Spencer. At a preliminary hearing that afternoon the city council members were released on $500 bonds, pending later trial. The judge ordered Joseph and Hyrum Smith to be held in jail until they could be tried for treason, a capital offense.
Joseph Smith, Taylor, and Richards attempted to defend themselves. Taylor and Richards attempted to use walking sticks in order to deflect the guns as they were thrust inside the cell, from behind the door. Smith used a small pepper-box pistol that Cyrus Wheelock had given him when Wheelock had visited the jail earlier that day. Three of the six barrels misfired, but the other three shots injured at least three of the attackers.
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Seems to me that the people who reacted against Smith’s attempts at tyranny (aka: the mob) did exactly what you have been know to say that you’d do against those who came after you.
So why are you condemning the the general populace for the actions you’d take yourself, by your own words.
That's what may happen; if you 'forget' to wear your special undies!!
Me; neitehr!
(Now then I have to look it up!)
Ah...
Your MINDREADING ability seems to have finally failed you.
Joseph Smith stated that God told him: "they [other churches] were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:19).Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
“During the attack, the assailants reportedly took the mission president’s Rolex watch and a cell phone.
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“This watch is credited with landing Elder Young over 35 wives without the usual coercion. THAT is the kind of foundation upon which to populate your future planet through eternal polygamy! As your spirit children get their planetary bodies and begin to worship you, you sit on high, clad in gold like Aaron’s golden calf! Imagine the wonder in their eyes as eternal beams of light reflect off your genuine Rolex Future God Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master II Watch!
“In the light of future godhood, you DESERVE to wear this fine timepiece.
“Rolex Future God Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master II Watch: 40mm 18K yellow gold case, black 24 hour 18K yellow gold bezel, green 24 hour hand, independent 12 hour hand, black dial with green date, and 18K yellow gold Oyster Authority Bracelet. - List Price: $25,550.00
I believe you can have whatever religion you desire, including none at all.
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Then why are you paying for your son to convert nominal Christians to Mormonism?
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Because, as you well know, we are commanded to preach the Gospel to all people.
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