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To: pabianice
simply discards any sense of reality and ends this story with Kirk in command of Enterprise without having had to bother with inconveniences like advancing through the ranks by proving competence and maturity and receiving the endorsement of his superiors – a process which actually take 21-22 years in the real military

"HERE'S TO SICKLY SEASONS AND BLOODY WARS." - Famous British toast.

And as an example of promotion jumps.
Pershing - Captain to Brigadier.
Custer - 2nd Lieut. to Brigadier(Brevet)

122 posted on 05/11/2009 8:11:17 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: Pistolshot
And as an example of promotion jumps. Pershing - Captain to Brigadier. Custer - 2nd Lieut. to Brigadier(Brevet)

In the case of Custer, the Union Army at the start of the war numbered 16,367 officers and men comprising 198 line companies distributed among 4 artillery regiments, 5 mounted regiments, and 10 regiments of infantry. Out of that, a number went to the Confederate side. The Union Army quickly grew to over 2 million men. They pretty-much had no choice but to promote any regular officers they had to senior command.

At the start of WW-I, it was a similar deal, with a force of 90,000 being quickly expanded to over 4 million.

If what we're talking about in this new Star Trek universe is a situation where they just began a war with the Romulans where 95% the Fleet consists of people who had been raw civilians a few months prior, then yes they would have no choice except to use whatever regular officers that they had available. I guess I'll find the background when I go see it later this week.

127 posted on 05/11/2009 8:40:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Pistolshot
simply discards any sense of reality and ends this story with Kirk in command of Enterprise without having had to bother with inconveniences like advancing through the ranks by proving competence and maturity and receiving the endorsement of his superiors – a process which actually take 21-22 years in the real military

"HERE'S TO SICKLY SEASONS AND BLOODY WARS." - Famous British toast.

"sickly seasons and bloody wars" were the circumstances where promotion from Midshipman to Captain did take 20 years.

In peacetime 75% of Lieutenants, 80% of Commanders, and 90% of captains were unemployed on half pay, and noöne was being promoted, for any reason.

Super Rapid promotion only occurs during extended major wars, not as a reward (that's what medals are for). And all the back story of the Federation says the this was not a time of extended total wars. (For one thing Starfleet is a lameass military clearly showing the effects of peacetime neglect)

139 posted on 05/11/2009 9:32:15 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Obama in Office for 100 days: Wall Street panics.)
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