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The new "Star Trek" shows us what we've lost
The Movies | 5/10/09 | Vanity

Posted on 05/10/2009 12:14:38 PM PDT by pabianice

Edited on 05/10/2009 3:43:21 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: pabianice

I go to a movie to be entertained. I realize it is all make believe, even the stories based on true events, get to be make believe during a movie. I’m not hung up on the original time line - what is the point - its make believe to begin with.

Anyway, I loved the movie. I was NOT raised on Grand Theft Auto, but part of the joy of science fiction is the fast pace and the fantastic special effects. This movie has those things and the familiar much loved characters.

Disclaimer - I’m a distant cousin to one of the actors so admit I am was proud to see the face and name on the big screen.


42 posted on 05/10/2009 1:08:27 PM PDT by Roses0508
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To: pabianice; Old Sarge; MrB; Constitution Day

Just for general information and/or more information about The Pirate Bay and the BitTorrent files there, you can look at this Wikipedia article on it...

As I said, that’s where the Star Trek “cam-shot” of the recent movie came from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Bay

[for whatever it’s worth..., to know further information about them...]


43 posted on 05/10/2009 1:16:12 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: pabianice

We’re huge Star Trek fans (original series) and we loved it. I thought it was a good job in casting and I looked at it as a “setting up” of sorts for further prequels to the original series, in order to explain relationships and things that took place during the original series. If you’ve watched J J Abrams LOST, you know he has a way of setting up things, and then slowly bringing them together as time goes on, I think that’s what this movie was about.


44 posted on 05/10/2009 1:16:34 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: pabianice; All

MY OWN COUNTER REVIEW

I disagree, I saw the movie and it left a lot of FUN questions to be resolved for sequels...yet it was all very well done, fast paced, and dazzling in its eye candy! It was quite understandable that the canon was to be re-imagined.

Perhaps “old Spock” can go back forward in time and fix his mistake there-bye correcting the timelines and fixing the Federation the way it should have remained, with Pike becoming disfunctional after being zapped with M rays and Kirk taking over after-ward as an older wiser captain...who knows! I won’t mention too many plot spoilers as others might still want to see it. I think the movie clears the way for all sorts of new adventures/fun possibilities with out the clutter of the previous canon while preserving the essence of the original characters and purpose of Star Fleet.

As for the Uhura issue, that might be a good thing, as it saves Kirk from having to worry about Spock having no one to Pom Far with every 7 years..(or having a planet to do it on...oops...spoiler alert!)


45 posted on 05/10/2009 1:16:34 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Future Snake Eater

“Lost” is the best show on TV now that “Battlestar Galactica” is over.

You haven’t seen “Fringe” I take it.


46 posted on 05/10/2009 1:18:31 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: pabianice

Any time (time?) there is time travel in a movie except a movie about time travel, every thing and anything in said movie becomes stupid.


47 posted on 05/10/2009 1:19:29 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: pabianice
While you clearly put a lot of effort into this review, I sincerely hope that no one takes it to heart.

Like the kid that latched onto pizza, to borrow your phrase, you clearly fell in love with Star Trek a long time ago, and bonded to that version of it. Anything that varies from the same old formula will never be pretty to you, which is a shame. Even your analysis of the movie (i.e. Uhuru is Spock's love slave?) is wildly inaccurate and marinated in bitterness.

While I'm not as similarly attached to an era of sci-fi before my time, but it seems to me the new Star Trek is old serial era Captain Midnight / Flash Gordon / Buck Rodgers seat-of-the-pants matinee fun. All the adrenaline of golden age sci-fi, but with the budget and technology to make it come alive.

Travesty! Blasphemy!

Perhaps. But it was good clean adventure in the formerly lost art of fun science fiction. It wasn't Shakespeare, but neither was Bill Shatner wrestling with a guy in an iguana mask.

48 posted on 05/10/2009 1:26:41 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (Oh, well. Back to the drawing board....)
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To: svcw; All

I saw it Digital IMAX with a 12000 watt surround system...very involving experience, I was blown away by the crisp digital imagery and the very directional sound track editing. All space opera movies should be viewed in Imax. The movie itself seems to have been shot in away that it could be recoded for 3D with the new virtual 3d processes they have now for recoding old movies into 3d; the scenes and positionings of objects and creatures suggest pre-planning for 3d imaging. I say...bring on more Star Trek!

A redo of the “Doomsday Machine” expanded and more involved would be utterly cool!


49 posted on 05/10/2009 1:28:36 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: MrLee

Fringe is also done by JJ Abrams. Fringe and Cloverfield have made me a fan of Abram’s work...though I don’t like Lost, but hey no one’s perfect!


50 posted on 05/10/2009 1:31:48 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Sherman Logan

“Well, GA Custer was promoted directly from first lieutenant to brigadier general at the age of 23, then immediately won a crucial battle, arguably setting the stage for the Union victory at Gettysburg.”

And after that his career really flourished ...


51 posted on 05/10/2009 1:38:20 PM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim
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To: pabianice

Did the writer of this miss the first 15 minutes of the movie? Jim Kirk in the movie grew up in an entirely different environment from Jim Kirk of the old TV show. The TV Kirk entered Starfleet inspired by his loving father. The movie Kirk had an abusive, uncaring stepfather. By changing his personality some, and with the other altered events, there is no way this one could be consistant with the last. It is a sort of “It’s a Wonderful Life” treatment of the changes caused by the sacrifice at the beginning of the movie.


52 posted on 05/10/2009 1:39:00 PM PDT by Ingtar (Americans have truly let America down. A sad day.)
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To: traderrob6

There’s nothing unnecessarily wordy about “suspension of disbelief.” It’s shorter than “turn your brain off and stop thinking critically.”


53 posted on 05/10/2009 1:39:10 PM PDT by Terpfen (Ain't over yet, folks. Those 2004 Senate gains are up for grabs in 2 years.)
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To: eCSMaster

He did quite well up to 1876.


54 posted on 05/10/2009 1:39:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: kingu

The only problem I had with Wolverine was its timing...If I could change the time line it would have been Wolverine origins first...the the Xmen series! Otherwise the Wolverine “stand alone complex”(to borrow from Ghost in the Shell) would have worked better proceeding from the time he left the Xmen compound in search of his past.

Still I thought the Wolverine movie was very well done and very well played with good strong performances all the way through!


55 posted on 05/10/2009 1:40:39 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: yarddog

“Lost” - my wife is addicted. I watch for a bit, then fall asleep.


56 posted on 05/10/2009 1:40:57 PM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim
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To: pabianice

That’s odd...My son, and several of my friends saw the move in the past 2 days, and all of them said it was an outstanding movie.

I can’t wait to see it.


57 posted on 05/10/2009 1:41:52 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: pabianice

If you look objectively at Star Trek TOS, several things leap out. The first is that it is obviously a stage performance. From the actors pronounced stage makeup, to the minimalist sets, and the grand stage backdrop screens.

Most of the actors themselves were right out of the “westerns” productions, as were the guest stars. TOS had some interesting competition as well, such as Lost In Space, The Time Tunnel, The Invaders, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, My Favorite Martian, The Wild Wild West, etc.

And TV science fiction writing had just come through the golden age of The Twilight Zone, and Outer Limits.

How about the jump from being owned by Desi Arnez and Lucille Ball, then sold off to Paramount TV, producers of an eclectic mix of TV, such as The Andy Griffith Show, Gomer Pyle USMC, Mission:Impossible, and The Brady Bunch?

Perhaps that is the biggest problem after all. The fans didn’t care about special effects, they wanted an interesting plot line, as well as some acting. Beautiful costumes and sound effects helped as well.


58 posted on 05/10/2009 1:44:13 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Williams
Saw it twice already absolutely LOVED the movie. Great acting, characters, story, action.

Son and friends said the same thing. I'm going to wait until it's on blue ray, and buy a copy.

59 posted on 05/10/2009 1:46:20 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Terpfen

How about naivete, gullibility, cedulous, callow, unwary etc etc. the list is endless.


60 posted on 05/10/2009 1:46:31 PM PDT by traderrob6
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