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King of Fighters F-22 Gets Killed by Humble T-38 Training Plane [VIDEO]
Gizmodo ^ | Tue Apr 21 2009 | Gizmodo

Posted on 04/21/2009 2:18:21 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins

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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

In real life, the T38, or any other aircraft, would be dust before it knew the F22 was in the same time zone.


41 posted on 04/21/2009 2:51:12 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Red Steel

Exactly. Somehow the T-38 gets within visual range. You
would hope the 22 would be able to out turn him but the
T-38 is a tiny plane...


42 posted on 04/21/2009 2:51:45 PM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
This is meaningless dribble. Anything in the air for a hundred miles around the F-22 would be dead before the opposition new the raptor was there. That is first and foremost. Secondly, after exhausting all of the Raptors self guided ordinance, if there were still any threats in the area it is likely they would be gunned down before they knew the Raptor had zoomed in behind them for the first and only fatal pass. Most likely the raptor would have bugged out.

Now if the Raptor pilot had a death wish and wanted to mix it up in the weeds from 10,000 AGL or lower, he could engage and if he had any piloting skills and knew his aircraft's abilities to the fullest, no other aircraft would be able to obtain a shooting solution for a IR missile or gun on a raptor from any other threat aircraft, unless the odds were 10 to one.

However, even a clock is right once a day digital and twice a day analog. If the Raptor pilot was youthful and inexperienced and flying against a seasoned jock who knew the capabilities of both airframes, and the Raptor was succored into a Mano a mano dogfight in the weeds, than yes a t-38 could flame a Raptor repeatedly, only because a nugget did not fly the raptor to its ability.

It is absurd to compare any other aircraft with the raptor in this manner and fighter jocks laugh at this nonsense. I hope the T-38 pilot got a premium draft beer from the nugget.

43 posted on 04/21/2009 2:55:19 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Shouldn’t your SN read: MyTwoCopperCladZincCoins


44 posted on 04/21/2009 2:56:36 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: unkus
181 F-22’s is a formidable force.

My only concern about the number is a drawn out fight with China.

45 posted on 04/21/2009 2:57:11 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: RaceBannon

“it was proved long ago that the F-5, with the right pilot, can out manuever an F-15 and shoot it down.

It is all about the Pilot and his skilllevel”


Sorry, it is not. I’ve flown F4s against F-15s...a much more equal fight. Skill and tactics are obviously important, but you don’t ever want to be in a real dogfight (which are themselves very rare in modern air combat) against a better jet.

Anyone who draws any conclusions from this snippet of gun camera film is an idiot.


46 posted on 04/21/2009 3:04:07 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Can a good highschool team run a touchdown in against an NFL team? Well, I suppose it would eventually happen if you didn’t run out of highschoolers first.


47 posted on 04/21/2009 3:04:12 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism kills your soul.)
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To: AFreeBird

The two coins are old... really old, and copper.

;^)


48 posted on 04/21/2009 3:05:17 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
The title oversimplifies the situation a little. The Northrop T-38 and the F-5E are used by the USAF and the USN as aggressor aircraft. So, the pilots are the absolute best. Got to give credit for the airmanship skills which the article is a little weak on.

That being said, the T-38 and F-5 family are simply great aircraft! The design is now 50 years old and it is still nimble enough to threaten 5th generation aircraft. (The T-38 is early 2nd generation).

49 posted on 04/21/2009 3:05:59 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Oh, okay. :)


50 posted on 04/21/2009 3:06:34 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: buccaneer81

I’m sure it’s a great plane, but didn’t we produce 10 times that number of F15’s, the plane it’s suppose to replace?


51 posted on 04/21/2009 3:11:06 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: OpeEdMunkey
NO, no,no. The Thunderbirds have been flying F-16s for a long time. The picture is file footage from the late '70s.

The pilot was likely from an aggressor squadron and is "sierra hotel". Also the aircraft is more likely an F-5E of F-5F a much "hotter" aircraft than a T-38.

52 posted on 04/21/2009 3:13:05 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier
NO, no,no. The Thunderbirds have been flying F-16s for a long time. The picture is file footage from the late '70s.

YES, yes, yes. It's a joke. Lighten up.

However I'd bet that, file footage or not, the plane pictured is a T-38 was probably being flown by a Thunderbird pilot.

Last time I looked the Thunderbirds were a precision flight team and not an air combat unit.Of course I could be wrong. Last time I saw the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels they were flying Phantom II's.

53 posted on 04/21/2009 4:07:42 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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To: OpeEdMunkey

I have a spare “SARC” key if you need it. Also I know someone who has a “LOL” feature they can spare.


54 posted on 04/21/2009 7:01:58 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: The Shrew
I'm no aviator, but, since when do F-5A Trainers have Heads Up Display that looks like an F-16? Just askin.....

Glad you asked...may I introduce you to the T-38C?


Today's AF fighter jock wannabe trains in this jet.

55 posted on 04/21/2009 8:28:53 PM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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To: OpeEdMunkey

Once I knew a guy who had flown F-15s then was picked to fly the F-16 with the T-birds. After his T-bird tour, he went on to fly with a frontline F-16 unit.

His callsign became THOC, which stood for “Thousand Hours, Zero Credibility.”

To his credit, he took it lightly, and eventually became a very good Viper driver.


56 posted on 04/21/2009 8:33:57 PM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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To: JRios1968
Today's AF fighter jock wannabe trains in this jet.

Really cool! Thanks for letting me know.

Regards,

TS

57 posted on 04/22/2009 7:59:23 AM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: The Shrew

No biggie! That’s the beauty of being a FReeper...someone will know the answer to your question.


58 posted on 04/22/2009 8:02:29 AM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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To: The Shrew

Plus, when I was in the Air Force, I was Program Manager for the modification lines for the T-38C. We took old T-38A and B jets and gave them glass cockpits. The B model already was outfitted to imitate fighter jets.


59 posted on 04/22/2009 8:04:06 AM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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To: JRios1968

THOC? Ouch!


60 posted on 04/22/2009 12:47:20 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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