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Lauren Is Right: Macs Cost More Than PCs
microsoft-watch.com ^ | March 30, 2009 2:55 AM | Joe Wilcox

Posted on 03/30/2009 12:03:41 PM PDT by martin_fierro

Edited on 03/30/2009 1:00:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: TankerKC
Which was also the point in post 88.

Exactly. Try the penguin search without the quotation marks and see what comes up. That is essentially what GLDNGUN was doing.

141 posted on 03/31/2009 8:58:18 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Jack Wilson
OK, the next time I’m strolling through my neighborhood computer shop I will watch for the aisles of Mac software - where are they again? Somewhere near the 10000+ PC software titles?

And how many of those are really useful to you? How many packages of "101 Casino Games" and "Clip Art for Every Occasion" and "Font, Fonts, Fonts!" do you really need?

On my Mac I have 8 Web browsers, 9 drawing programs, 10 photo editing programs, 6 word processors, 3 spreadsheets, 15 music and video editing programs... (I write about software and enjoy trying out different types.) I really don't lack for solutions, and I don't think having access to 9,000 more pieces of lousy software would improve my life.

Just this morning I downloaded something that brings up a little search box when I hit a hot key. I can search Google or Wikipedia from within that box and see the result in my browser--no need to switch to the browser first. It was free, written by a hobbyist Mac software developer who just thought it'd be a cool thing to have.

142 posted on 03/31/2009 9:21:26 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Jack Wilson

Jack, pry yourself away from humping Bill Gates’ leg and get your facts straight. First, my reply regarded home hobby types writing their own software. The gentleman to whom I was replying seemed to think that this was not possible. The fact is that Apple’s superb coding environment, XCode—the same tool they use for writing their own software for MacOS machines including the iPhone—comes free on every OS X disk. This is an industrial-class coding environment, as professional as they get. It’s not an entry-level tool or trialware.

Plus there’s a host of freeware out there for writing OS X apps in various C variants, Perl, Ruby, Java, you name it.

As to those aisles of Mac software, there’s plenty, and it tends to be stunningly good stuff. MS Office for the Mac, for example, tends to be a generation ahead of Office for Windows. But maybe you’re impressed by the rows upon rows of Windows antivirus, anti-malware, anti-spyware, anti-crash, anti-intrusion, please-make-it-run-fast-again, rejuvenate, fix, clean-your-registry, back-it-up, defragment, recover and all those other little Windows accessories, not included in the price of a Windows machine, that will get you a bit closer to what the Mac provides out of the box in terms of security, stability, built-in backup, self-optimization, file security, plug-and-play peripheral support, and all that other good stuff.

Yes, I said plug-and-play peripheral support. My family runs a heterogeneous mix of computers, ranging from the WinXP machine I’m typing on to several Macs (both Intel and PPC), some Linux machines, and even a Sun workstation. (Okay, I’m a geek.) I really have no dog in the fight. But even I, a Mac admirer, was taken aback when we brought our first OS X machine home and configured it for our network and our networked HP printer. The printer installation process on Windows requires a crash-prone twenty-minute session with a CD and then a reboot. The Mac found the printer on its own and, blink, it set itself up and was done. I expect a good experience from Apple, but I was stunned.

My 85 year old mother in law went from screaming daily at her malware-infested Windows machine, which I and my brother-in-law would routinely had to fix during any family visit, to installing her very own Mac with no trouble at all. At first she was peeved at the guy in the Apple store: “How do I set up my email?” she asked. “Just plug it in,” he said. She thought he was blowing her off. In fact, that was the entire process: plug it in, and it figured out her email settings for her based on her email address.

Sure, she could have paid less for a stripper Windows machine than her iMac. But she’s way happier with her Mac than she ever was with Windows. And, it’s been two years, without a single “support incident” for my brother-in-law or me. That’s worth a bit extra, IMHO. Plus, the thing is freaking gorgeous, a work of art. Classes up the whole room.

You get what you pay for, is all I’m saying. Meanwhile, mind the Wintard catechisms. Windows has its place, and there’s no reason to spread urban legends about it.


143 posted on 03/31/2009 9:46:36 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (1st call: Abbas. 1st interview: Al Arabiya. 1st energy decision: halt drilling in UT. Arabs 1st!)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Not only that, but 9,999 of those “vast” amounts of software are filled with adware or are really crippled copies of some higher version they want you to buy anyway.

Apple has always had the best in Audio and Video software and in this age, that is what everyone is doing. Even Micro$hafts ads try and show how easy it is for kids to make movies and send photos.

But then, you get those software packages and find the instruction manual is 126 pages and as user friendly as an IRS audit.


144 posted on 03/31/2009 9:49:08 AM PDT by RachelFaith (PALIN 2012 - "As if it actually matters any more")
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To: Neoliberalnot

I was being sarcastic. There are no Apple branded drives. Apple and the PC makers all use the same drive manufacturers.


145 posted on 03/31/2009 9:56:36 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I didn’t actually voice an opinion comparing Wintel vs. Apple.

I merely stated a fact, which I will repeat: Apple does not make it as easy for cottage industry programmers to create software as Wintel does. Nor does it encourage the creation of Mac clones. The Apple world is a relatively closed system.

You can jump up and down, hold your breath and have a hissy fit all you want. Tis a fact.


146 posted on 03/31/2009 10:24:43 AM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: TankerKC

What mac person writes about windows? I know of no one? I mentioned we had a Dell for 2 years before it died it was the shortest lived computer we ever owned but other than that? Most mac I know people would rather dig a ditch by hand than be forced to run windows. :)


147 posted on 03/31/2009 10:46:34 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Jack Wilson

LOL you just don’t know where to look and btw with the intell processer those isles of windows software work just fine on Paralells with XP installed.


148 posted on 03/31/2009 10:49:14 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba
What mac person writes about windows?

You just did.

149 posted on 03/31/2009 10:49:54 AM PDT by TankerKC (Revenge and Envy--the new Principles of Freerepublic?)
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To: Jack Wilson
"I merely stated a fact, which I will repeat: Apple does not make it as easy for cottage industry programmers to create software as Wintel does."

What is the Microsoft equivalent of XCode, then? It's a sincere question-- I really don't know. Maybe such a thing does exist and is free with each copy of XP or Vista. I truly don't know, just as you seemed to truly not know that Apple's superb XCode programming environment comes with every copy of OS X. It's free, and well documented, and there are many books about it if you need more. I'd really appreciate your insight as to how Apple could make it any easier for cottage industry programmers than to provide industrial-strength tools and documentation without charge. If MS does the same, great for them. Else it's another of those things you gotta buy from those long aisles of Windows software to approach what you get out of the box with the Mac.
150 posted on 03/31/2009 10:51:09 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (1st call: Abbas. 1st interview: Al Arabiya. 1st energy decision: halt drilling in UT. Arabs 1st!)
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To: Jack Wilson

Oh, and one more thing. About those clones. There are parts of me that would be happy to see Apple encourage clones, especially cheap ones. (A Mac Eee, anyone? Yum.) But they tried it a long time ago, and it wasn’t the greatest experience for anyone.

The trouble with clones (as anyone with significant Microsoft experience can attest) is that with each additional hardware choice comes an exponentiating probability of hardware and driver conflicts.

Part of Apple’s vaunted user experience is that they provide an integrated system and take responsibility for all the bits and pieces and their drivers. Many of us Windows users (and recall I’m using Windows right now, it’s not like I can’t tolerate the stuff) can sorely testify to the painfulness of chasing down a blue-screen-of-death issue that Windows helpfully identifies only as a “driver error” or somesuch.

Right now, when I boot my XP system, I get an error message that my video card is unsupported by the driver I’m using. (Fortunately the system seems to work fine despite the error.) Now, being an uber-geek, I know my way around a PC better than most, yet I have no earthly clue what could have caused this, what to do about it, or who to contact. That just doesn’t happen with Macs.


151 posted on 03/31/2009 10:59:03 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (1st call: Abbas. 1st interview: Al Arabiya. 1st energy decision: halt drilling in UT. Arabs 1st!)
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To: TankerKC

I was addressing people who write stories like this one not someone giving their honest life experinces. Incase you didn’t notice I also mentioned having had PC’s too except that they seem to only last about 3 years?


152 posted on 03/31/2009 11:25:23 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

You did it again.


153 posted on 03/31/2009 12:35:44 PM PDT by TankerKC (Revenge and Envy--the new Principles of Freerepublic?)
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To: Jack Wilson
I merely stated a fact, which I will repeat: Apple does not make it as easy for cottage industry programmers to create software as Wintel does

XCode dev environment - included (and help to build interfaces, code profiling)
Support for misc languages - check (c, c++, java on the box already)
When you click on 'new java app', it even creates a default 'hello world' for you.

By day, I do eclipse(plugin/plugin/plugin)/oracle/weblogic/you-get-the-idea development. 'Fact'...In my opinion, my macs(3) at home come better equipped for development than any of my dell/hp/toshiba/compaqs ever have. Without the internet and/or a bunch of purchased software, none of them has come with any developer tools.

154 posted on 03/31/2009 12:37:53 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes
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To: martin_fierro

And bears poop in the woods! ;-P


155 posted on 03/31/2009 12:38:37 PM PDT by MortMan (Power without responsibility-the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages. - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: Locomotive Breath

And all made in China I bet??


156 posted on 03/31/2009 1:11:31 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: Neoliberalnot

Probably.


157 posted on 03/31/2009 1:40:27 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

10s of thousands of iPhone apps is an obvious sign that no one is writing any code for Apple. hehehe

They do write code for Apple, just there is no reason to make thousands of worthless little apps for OSX because it comes with about everything you would need built in and working, not bundled shareware you need to wipe out before it hogs your system resources.


158 posted on 03/31/2009 1:52:07 PM PDT by RachelFaith (PALIN 2012 - "As if it actually matters any more")
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To: RachelFaith
"10s of thousands of iPhone apps is an obvious sign that no one is writing any code for Apple. hehehe"

Heh. Full disclosure, as a hobbyshop programmer eager to play with that new platform, I am a published iPhone software author with an actual money-making app on the iTunes store. That's why I leaped on the original poster's contention that no hobbyshop types are writing for Mac OS X. Sure they are; I'm one of them, and I get paid for it. And the tools I needed were free from Apple (though I did have to pay a token entry fee to register for iTunes store distribution). There's free training videos and stuff like that, too. (Match that, open sourcialists!) But I guess for some folks it's more important to spread falsities in the name of Microsoft than to investigate those pesky things called facts. By the way, XCode is not the only tool I've used to program on the Mac. Years ago, LabVIEW was available on the Mac long before there even was a Windows. Man, that stuff rocks.

One interesting point: XCode is used to program all Mac OS X platforms... including the iPhone, which runs a slimmed version of OS X. If you had told me, five years ago, that I'd be walking around with a gizmo in my pocket that can play videos, take pictures, make calls, navigate using GPS, do emails and even surf and post to FreeRepublic.com from anywhere, all of it running on five RISC cores and an industrial-class implementation of FreeBSD Unix, I'd have thought you were stark staring nuts. What a world.
159 posted on 03/31/2009 4:15:07 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (1st call: Abbas. 1st interview: Al Arabiya. 1st energy decision: halt drilling in UT. Arabs 1st!)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

Ok, today I went to my local Micro Center and took a look in the book section.

There were a lot more Apple programming books than I thought there would be: The ratio was only about 9 to 1 Microsoft to Apple.


160 posted on 03/31/2009 4:23:42 PM PDT by Jack Wilson
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