Historic documentation of Union Bullying needed.

He doesn't believe that Unions EVER used intimation or threats of violence as they dealt with workers in a not yet unionized workplace. He doesn't believe that there was a time when Unions could force their way in, without a Secret Ballot.

Sue and I need links to old Text Books, Newspapers, and Court Records that prove our Worries are valid.

Another issue with unions is that they take an adversarial approach to dealings with a company in order to wring more benefits from a company.

Through strikes, intimidation and other union tactics, they hold a company over the barrel until they force them to submit.

This submission by the company removes market forces from the equation, and the costs of doing business are no longer driven by the market, but are instead driven by intimidation, emotion and a variety of other factors that have nothing to do with market forces of supply an demand.

These costs of increased wages and benefits are simply passed on to the consumer, where market forces WILL take effect. The company then is faced with having to produce a product or service that is unsustainable in the face of market forces, and consumers will not buy the same (or sometimes inferior product) at an increased price, and the company will do poorly, often going out of business. This is one of the key reasons the US Steel Industry went belly up in the Sixties and Seventies, because they refused to modernize (which would have required fewer people to produce the same amount of steel) The unions were not interested in staying competitive with a market, they were interested PRIMARILY with increasing wages and benefits while ensuring no jobs were lost.

The Japanese did not have the same kinds of issues, because their unions are not the same as our unions. Their unions work WITH the company. Our unions work AGAINST the company.

The UAW is going to ensure that the US auto industry goes the same route as the US Steel industry. And the same thing is going to happen to the autoworkers.

The people in charge at the unions are going to pull up their tents, shrug their shoulders and say “Sorry folks, we tried! The evil company would rather fold than meet our demands, so...you all have a good life and all...Bye!” They will find some other unionized industry to get involved in.

Union members love to point out that the higher wages enjoyed by many people are due to their efforts. It is also worth noting that the higher prices paid by all of us for damn near everything that comes out of a unionized industry is also due to their efforts. Too many of them view their unions as operating in a vacuum, but they don’t. If a company has to pay higher prices to a truckers union, you think they are just going to eat those profits? If an electricians union sets a floor on wages for their members, do you think any of us as homeowners don’t simply pay more for those services?

Back in the 60’s GE was a big employer in CNY. If you didn’t join the union the goons would mess with your food or slit your car tires...

...I joined. Pretty sure it was the IBEW. Anyway I blamed them for driving GE down south...they were always wildcatting. As far as I’m concerned the union drove the company out of town.

It was always an us v. them... “they can’t make us do that” BS. The company nor it foreman were never unreasonable imo.

At the time we were paid good money to do boring repetitious work btw the conditions weren’t bad either.

If big business had their way you would make a dollar an hour after they removed their foot from your throat. That is after you had to shop at the company store where they set the price you would have to pay or starve! Just look around at the world. Wages being paid around the world keep people in poverty and way down the ladder from our standard of living. Without unions we and yes you people sitting on your asses all day in an office would making maybe a dollar an hour. Do not kid yourself business is not ever going to pay you unless they are forced to. You would live in poverty and work like a slave 7 days a week if it were up to them.

Don’t take it personally.

I am against unions, not union members (depending on how much of the union kool aid they drink, and how vocal they are)

I understand you are probably union. That is your choice (well not really, you may not have a choice in the matter)

But I want to you to step back for a moment and think about what you are saying. Perhaps you don’t recognize that belittling anyone who doesn’t work with their hands or produce something physical by their labor (such as “you people sitting on your asses all day in an office”) is a Marxist viewpoint.

“Business is not ever going to pay you unless they are forced to”? No? What about someone who performs a function that a business needs to produce a product or service? They aren’t going to pay them. Will they pay an architect to design their factory? Okay, you might concede there is one. How about people to design, set up and maintain their networking? Well, unless you want to pay a carpenter for that, you are going to have to pay for those services. There’s two. You get the point. That statement has no meaning. If you mean they are going to pay an employee as little as they can, well, that is different, but that is not what you said.

Unions are NOT what made this country wealthy and great. It was Capitalism, work ethic and a government (that in living history at least) let people to keep what they earned.

Businesses are there to make a profit. If they pay workers enough to keep them happy and treat them fairly, they will produced good products and services. If they don’t, they will get their hat handed to them by their competition that does.

Unions are an expression of big government in miniature, and both lead to socialism in the end.

If that is your choice, fine. But under this administration, this Marxist Socialist government is going to do all they can to bring the intimidation, corruption and bureaucracy of unions into the lives of all of us through the “Card Check” legislation they are going to try to push down our throats.

As an American, do you think the REQUIREMENT for open voting is at all in keeping with the principles of American government? Does that sound to you like something Washington, Madison, Jefferson or any of the other founding fathers would have agreed to?

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