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Pseudo-Skeptical Science: Betty and Barney Hill Abduction Case
americanchronicle ^ | February 21, 2009 | Steve Bass

Posted on 02/21/2009 6:30:20 PM PST by JoeProBono

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To: beaversmom

It was my brother and sister with me and it was the summer of 67. Maybe 8pm.


41 posted on 02/21/2009 8:02:16 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I think your ASSUMPTIONS are quite flawed.


42 posted on 02/21/2009 8:03:29 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Everybody has an opinion.


43 posted on 02/21/2009 8:04:26 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Kirkwood

Actually,

NOT AT ALL.

Certainly a minority of cases do . . . but those which experienced researchers

and experienced clinicians . . . vet . . .

your assertion would be laughable regarding those cases.

John Mack—chief psychiatrist of a unit at Harvard Medical school was no slouch in assessing such cases.

There are other well known researchers and therapists who can spot the flakey hoaxy stuff a mile away.

Evidently your familiarity with the genre is so anemic as to leave you with an incredible paucity of discrimminating skills in distinguishing the chaff from the authentic.

pity.


44 posted on 02/21/2009 8:05:56 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I was born summer 67. I was a baby at the time. Don’t know exactly how old so it had to have been in 67 or 68. Odd that it happened about the same time, isn’t it? I’ll have to ask my dad again the exact details and write them down—I’m remembering the basics though accurately and it sounds very similar to your account.

What did your brother and sister think? What part of the country was it?


45 posted on 02/21/2009 8:06:27 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: hinckley buzzard

NO!

The Betty and Barney Hill case has NOT been discredited.

Stanton Friedman and other famous researchers have been over it backwards and forwards and verified it’s authenticity from a number of directions and perspectives.

The star map Betty was evidently shown on the craft and was able to recall . . . turns out to have been quite accurate when at the time our astronomers did not know such to be the case. Later discoveries proved Betty quite accurate on all the 3 dimensions.


46 posted on 02/21/2009 8:08:06 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: beaversmom

Toledo, Ohio and they hid behind me. And we never told anyone. :-)


47 posted on 02/21/2009 8:08:29 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: hinckley buzzard; JoeProBono

GOODNESS, Joe!

When flaming ignorance flares, it flares big on these threads!

The threat of the paradigm shift must be toooooo huge a looming freak-out to the emotional existential constructions on reality by the typical naysayer.

Some are sounding increasingly brittle . . . maybe even paranoid.


48 posted on 02/21/2009 8:10:11 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: billorites

Great list! I’d have to add Jessica Rabbit to my “anywhere, anytime” cartoon list.


49 posted on 02/21/2009 8:10:55 PM PST by TrueKnightGalahad (When you're racing...it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.)
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To: beaversmom; Las Vegas Dave

Thanks for your report.

There must be at least a dozen FREEPERS who have had first hand experiences . . . and commented to Las Vegas Dave and I—maybe 2 dozen.

And a very few folks who’ve come across them in their ‘government’ jobs.


50 posted on 02/21/2009 8:11:50 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I don’t know much about Toledo. Was it right in the city? A more rural area outside the city? That’s funny you didn’t mention it to anyone. People would probably think you were crazy. You didn’t even tell your parents?


51 posted on 02/21/2009 8:13:01 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: DJ MacWoW

How many 10’s of thousands of quality documents have you read on the topic?

How many world famous researchers have you talked to face to face about the topic around the world?

How many relatives/and/or close friends have you had working around the craft?

How much fair-mindedness can you muster about the topic on a good day? 0-100? ______

What would concern you the most were such things to be proven true to you beyond a shadow of a doubt?


52 posted on 02/21/2009 8:13:51 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TrueKnightGalahad

53 posted on 02/21/2009 8:14:49 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Quix

correction

10’s of thousands of document PAGES . . . have you read.


54 posted on 02/21/2009 8:15:18 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: beaversmom

It was in the city. And we didn’t tell anyone. But we ran all the way to Dad’s house. :-)


55 posted on 02/21/2009 8:17:16 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Quix

It’s interesting. It was always interesting to me to hear the tale. I just wish I had been old enough to have witnessed it. My brothers were 9, 10, 11 at the time so they can remember it. I’ll have to interview my dad and get the account down just for future reference. Maybe I can pin down the time of it. My mom stayed inside the house. Seems to me she was ironing or something, I can’t remember, but she’s good about remembering details like what month, etc. It didn’t even come to my mind until DJ MacWoW mentioned his encounter.


56 posted on 02/21/2009 8:21:10 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

GREAT! THANKS THANKS.

Please ping me when you post.


57 posted on 02/21/2009 8:22:38 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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Sorry, upon looking at DJ MacWoW's profile, I'd like to amend my previous post to say..."her encounter".
58 posted on 02/21/2009 8:23:39 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

My wife and saw a bright light in the Arizona sky. All of a sudden it took off so fast that it left a “light trail” to the eye. We saw several do this within a few minutes. And we saw one that was rotating and little blinking lights came from the bottom and then would float upward and out of sight. After about ten of “these” came out the bright white light took off and disappeared from sight in no more than a second.

Doubters can also see what Travis (can’t remember his last name) from the movie Fire in the Sky had to say. All involved in that took and passed a lie detector test. He was gone for several days and when he was found he was naked and cowering on a front porch of some closed store. Very believable.


59 posted on 02/21/2009 8:28:24 PM PST by Terry Mross (I Hate All Politicians, Republicans Included.)
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To: Quix

I will do that. He is getting up there in age now and his mind is slipping some, but his long term memory is still good.


60 posted on 02/21/2009 8:29:09 PM PST by beaversmom
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