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To: CodeToad
1932, Bonus Army. Several killed hundreds wounded. 1970, Kent State. 4 killed, 9 wounded. National Guard opened fire with rifles. 1993, Waco. 76 killed, including 21 children and 2 pregnant women. US Army vehicles used, SOFD-D (Delta forces) on site. There have been others. Army soldiers will do as they are told until such a time they can figure out they are on the wrong side

Are you a military veteran?

Of course, that is how I know.

Most combat veterans I know would disagree with you, including me.

There are more military veterans on the streets right now, than current active members in the military.

The small list you provided are not typical scenarios, and certainly do not depict what is happening today.

Today the government is completely out of control. Even those in the military understand this. It's no secret.

If common Americans were forced, and justifiably revolted against this corrupt intrusive government, that has clearly betrayed Americans...well I just don't see the army or it's commanders turning their rifles against common Americans.

When and if it gets to that point, and I hope it does not, I will be proven correct.

One more point. For any army to defeat the people of the U.S. in a physical conflict, the only way the government would prevail, would be to literally pull out the big guns, air power etc, and level entire cities and towns killing millions at a time.

That aint going to happen.

What would happen is those on the ground, if they pushed millions of angry Americans into a corner, would see they were out numbered 500 to 1, and would quickly find themselves overwhelmed from every direction...They'd find themselves juggling flaming chain saws in short order.

Again, they only way *any* military would prevail against an armed country the size of the U.S. would be to wholesale annihilation of it's people with air power, armor, artillery etc, etc.

Ain't going to happen.

The American people are the most patient, civilized on the planet, but pushed into a corner, they can also be the meanest, most violent people on this planet.

255 posted on 02/19/2009 10:27:45 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
The American people are the most patient, civilized on the planet, but pushed into a corner, they can also be the meanest, most violent people on this planet.

Right. Asks the Nazis, militant Japanese, Mexicans or the Indians what happens when you threaten us.

We'll wipe your culture and take your land in a heartbeat.

256 posted on 02/19/2009 10:34:37 AM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: dragnet2

As has been said before, no one is going to order any military unit to take weapons or arrest any lawful, peaceful American; no one. If they did, I have no doubt upper ranking officers would revolt and refuse such orders and many lower ranking members would also refuse.

What they will do is create a bogus situation and ask the military to quell it.

They know that no military member will ever disobey an order they think might not be right unless they were 100% sure they could refuse it without consequences and they were right.

If you are a veteran then you know very well the training is “Follow orders! We don’t pay you to think!” Some officer may revolt out of personal convictions, but they can easily be replaced. The vast majority of grunts will do as they are told and all they need is a simple plausible excuse to do so. There are NO grunts asking questions about legalities or civil rights or constitutional authorities. Not at first. Every single one of them will snap to and yell, “Yes, Sir!” in English or Spanish, who knows.

Now, a few days or weeks later, that dynamic will change radically. Troops will start questioning their orders, but not at first. At first they will be in yes sir mode and the shock of their orders won’t set in until they see the results. If they are shot at by Americans, they will be told those are “terrorists” or “agitators” or “rebels” that are causing the problems. Not being allowed to make phone calls or watch TV or read a newspaper, most will be clueless and follow whatever orders the propaganda suggests they should. Government propaganda and threats are powerful influences.

I have no doubt the People can win against the federal government. Hell, they number at most 4 million, including all LEO and FLEO. Against not less than 15 million well armed, trained, and military experienced Americans who no longer are funding the federal government, there is no way in Hell they can win.


257 posted on 02/19/2009 10:50:52 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberalism is Communism, and both are a mental disorder. Grow up.)
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