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Poland UFO Disclosure - Col. Grundmanem say “UFO files got stolen”

The Polish disclosure, was the UFO file stolen?
Many new facts about UFO data gathering in this unique disclosure interview with Col. Grundmanem, the former head of “Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense”, who was responsible for gathering reports regarding UFOs.

The Polish air forces gather and analyze PRL reports on the pilots’ meetings with unidentified flying objects. In the folder named “The Unknown” gathered dozens of reports. In the 1990’s Invaluable data disappeared.
This is an Interview with Col. Ryszard Grundmanem. Col. Grundmanem was the former head of “Air Traffic, Air Force and Air Defense”, who gathered reports regarding UFOs.

Do you know that when people hear about flying objects they respond with polite smiles?
I know. However, military pilots, who saw with their own eyes unidentified flying object, are far from the laughter. They do not say that the meeting was with extraterrestrials, but nevertheless they feel that something which can’t be reasonably explained happened to them. Imagine that during a military flight, the pilot see a strange machine with blinking lights shaped like a “saucer” begins to execute maneuvers contradicting to the laws of physics. Is it normal?

I do not know. Such cases actually occurred?
In 1980’s, when I was Head of Air Traffic Services, Air Force and Air Defense, reports about objects whose behavior is unexplained, were received on a relatively frequent basis. By the end of my service at 1992, we had at least several dozen reports. All landed in a special folder “on the unexplained.” Together with Colonel George Topolnickim, then my immediate superiors, we tried to analyze them, but little can be done only with the disposals of dry pilot report. We recognized, however, that if we do not understand something, it does not say that for the next 50 years to come no one will be able to explain these phenomena. I could not close an eye on events that could endanger the safety of flights. That was my role of service.

Did no one in the Polish army gather reports of UFO?
I was the first military who became interested in this subject seriously. If you put the reporting matter in the hands of an experienced military pilot, an officer, suspecting that it is difficult for lack of competence in the assessment of weather, land vehicles and aircraft appearance, he will not throw it into the trash. Military instructions did not include a UFO of course; because of the introduction date for the official document would be tantamount to the fact that the existence of unidentified flying objects is recognized not only by the Polish army, but also by the entire armed forces of the Warsaw Pact. The provisions of the military were standardized throughout the Agreement. No one, however, prohibited the collection of data on the strange phenomena of the sky. I did this and I hope that my work will continue.

And it continued?
Unfortunately it did not continue. No one in the Polish army deals with today unidentified flying objects. Urologists sometimes say that our army is concealing information about UFO. They do not hide it because it does not exist. After I left, the staff stopped the systematic collection of reports on the subject. Too bad. Armies of the west investigating unusual phenomena, and the Russians do it as well.

And what happened to reports gathered?
After my retirement, the folder disappeared.

Disappeared?
It disappeared. I do not have it.

And what became of it?
I do not know. Maybe someone took the reports light headed and did not treat the matter seriously. I wish they continued to collect these types of data; it would be available data covering the period of more than 20 years. One might be tempted by their analysis and try to catch the emergence of regularity on the behavior and unidentified flying objects. And so, since there is no material there is nothing to be analyzed.

When you did first got a report about encounter between military aircraft with an unidentified flying object?
I do not remember the exact date, but most data is related to events from the night of December 11 1982, when radar stations from different parts of Poland started to inform the detection of moving objects with great speed. In total, over our territory 16 were observed. Aircraft got an order to intercept the objects, but its equipment failed to locate the targets. The strange objects appeared in East Germany, Czechoslovakia and the eastern part of the Soviet Union. I was afraid that it would start to attack NATO. In this case, we do not have to deal with the observation of a single pilot, but an event that launched the whole military machine and involved hundreds of people. All could not be fault. And the more it could not be faulty radar.

Radar Stations often detect these types of objects?
No, most did not detect anything. Radar only sometimes gets the full picture. During the 1955 Warsaw Pact exercises, a radar station in the area of Warsaw recognized two targets over the Gulf of Gdansk. The targets were moving at a speed of 2,300 km/h at an altitude of 20 thousand meters. In those days there was no aircraft with such performance. At one point it was noticed that the two objects did a 90 degrees turn, literally on the spot with no turning radius. This maneuver at such high speeds cannot be done. Most modern aircraft are unable to do so even today, and that was 50 years ago.

And what happened to those objects?
They continued to Lithuania, then hovered around Lviv and then disappeared from the screens of the station. And no one has sent fighters to attempt to capture the object. But in autumn 1983, for example, an object in the shape of “cigar” was prosecuted first by two helicopters, and then by Su-20 fighter.

What happened then?
The objects in the shape resembling a cigar were flying at high speed, low level. Two helicopters were sent in pursuit behind him and we alarmed the military airport at Powidzu. The helicopters, however, were not able to reach the object before it got to Powidzu. This “something” could be excluded as an electrical equipment fault or fault in communications. The object started shining, and the “cigar” at Powidzu was seen by a dozen soldiers. The object came towards the city. And base in Krzesiny sent a fighter to intercept. But the pilot was unable to track the object and it was “lost.”

The military commission who investigated the incident listened to all the witnesses. The report did not contain any final conclusions. It was found that the material should be subjected to further analysis and special attention at the show that similar types of events. Behaved so vigilant, especially that the reporting of the strange objects was not only by pilots.
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