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Quix, any rumblings from the current Hubble repair mission re: things appearing in the transmissions?

Not that I’ve heard.

Anything’s possible in such realms, imho.

Thx.

Let us know if you find out anything.

UFO PING LIST PING

HERE’S SOME SIGHTING EXPERIENCES OF ANOTHER FREEPER:

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Ok, here it is.

1. It’s springtime or summer of 58 in Nashville, Tn. and my mom is hanging out the wash in the back yard when I look up and see three silver triangles hanging motionless in the sky. My mom saw them also. I did not see them leave the area.

2. Driving home to White Bluff, Tn. (30 miles west of Nashville) on a clear summer day sometime in the early ninties (I didn’t feel like going through all my journals for the exact dates). It was about 2 PM and I was heading West when I saw a large golden ball hanging about 60 degrees up and stationary. It was about the size of your little fingernail held at arms length. Of course I said WTF? and pulled over to look at it through my binoculars. Not being able to see much detail with them I went to the house to get my big scope but it was gone by then (of course).

3. Mid-Ninties in White Bluff, Tn. I was lieing on my back in my driveway looking up at the stars (I lived on a farm) when something large, high up and traveling fast blotted out the stars from east to west. It had NO navigation lights that I could see and I was observing through a large pair of binoculars.

4. 1999, Longmont, Colorado. My wife and I were topping a hill in Longmont heading due West. We saw three golden balls just hanging over the Rockies. We observed them for about 30 seconds before they were obscured by trees and buildings. They had no contrail and the visibility was unrestricted.

5. 2006, Longmont, Colorado. I was stargazing in my backyard when I noticed an object to the North moving very slowly. It was triangular and had lights at each end, green, blue and white. I don’t believe it was an aircraft because it was moving so slowly and none of the lights were blinking. It finally glided of to the West. I checked MUFON and there had been sightings of a triangular craft in the area recently. Colorado is a hotbed of UFO activity.

6. 2007, Longmont, Colorado. I was stargazing once again in my back yard at about 2 AM. I was sitting in a chair facing North when I saw five or six objects that at first I thought were Geese flying low to the North. We have Geese that fly at night around here. Then it hit me that whatever these thing were they WEREN’T FLAPPING THEIR WINGS and were flying very fast. They traversed the area in about 15 seconds West to East.This one shook me up for some reason and made the hair stand up on the back of my neck so I took my butt into the house.

On a side note I once saw what I think was the Aurora (that doesn’t exist) flying East over the Rockies one afternoon. I was heading to my hanger and I just pulled over and observed it. A contrail with little puffballs in a totally clear blue sky. This thing was over the horizon in less than a minute.

I’ve got to be honest in that I’ve experienced a lot of paranormal events in my life (compared to most people) and have cone to believe that some people are just more receptive to seeing things that aren’t supposed to be real. I’ve done a lot of research on UFO’s and I think a lot of people are afraid to admit that they’ve seen or experienced something that they don’t understand.

Hope that helps.

UFO PING LIST PING

ROSWELL REVISITED FROM C 2 C JUN 02 2009

[ROUGH QUIX transcription . . . not verbatim . . . essential keywords and phrases accurate]

STEPHEN BASSET FROM PARADIGM RESEARCH GROUP . . . SPONSORING A NATIONAL PETITION DRIVE FOR DISCLOSURE . . .

shifting focus from White House to White House Press Corps . . . asked to copy or forward msgs to Wash White House Press Corps.

wash.org . . . c/o White House Correspondents Assoc.

faxonwashington.org

Asking that the Press Corps to begin asking questions of White House officials . . . 15 questions on their website to ask . . . tying key members of the Administration to the UFO issue.

Press releases this month . . . several writers going to be creating a mass of cross connecting Google links . . .

The Administration has yet to comment on all these letters they’ve been getting.

Dr John Curtis ONLINECOLUMNIST.COM

Leading authority on damage control . . .

nonpartison . . . just try to get to the facts . . . NK very serious . . .

Great Marine Corps caller said it’s crazy to try to deal rationally with Iranian Mooslymbs.

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Tom Carey & Don Schmitt

TOM:

DON SCHMITT a special investigator for Dr Hynek

DON: Stanton Friedman noted that there were dozens of people, if not 100’s who were still alive who had had something to do with Roswell . . .

Don: I just couldn’t accept that the government could keep something like that secret that long. But after talking to people who’d actually handled the very unusual material . . . we realized it was being leaked but the ridicule factor caused folks to not listen.

TOM: summarizes the Roswell incident. . . . the only case where the AirForce admitted that UFO’S WERE REAL AND WERE NOT FROM THE EARTH . . . IN JULY 1947 . . . They put out a newspaper headline that the RAAF had recovered a flying saucer . . . later retracted with a [ridiculous story]

1978 the former base intel officer JESSE MARCEL SR [DAD of our hero FREEPER] went public and said he had held pieces of an extra terrestrial craft in his hand.

TOM: We’ve had archeological digs . . .the two different crash sites alone precludes the balloon [nonsense]

They were still going out 2-3 years after the crash with industrial vacuum cleaners going over the site—if it didn’t move, we picked it up.

DON: 2 archeological digs 2002 and 2006 . . . SCIFI sponsored digs . . . 2002 . . . Larry Lansman . . . we both agreed that an archeological dig at a debris field site would move the case forward . . . had always wanted to go back to the site and conduct a dig. SCIFI channel funded it . . .

Approached the UNM office of contract archeology to do it and they were eager to do it as part of NM lore.

GN: were you right there at the site? How close?

Don: We don’t need coordinates—we’ve been there so many times—Mack Brazel’s son first took us there.

Don, the first time we made it out there with Brazel’s son . . . all the tire tracks, the big gouge, like being present on a battle field. Couldn’t help but feel that something tragic had happened. Then there was a gleefulness that we’d actually made it to the historic site. . . . an unprecedented location.

Tom: Our Holy Grail is the search for physical evidence . . . we are reserving that term for the memory metal . . . the ones who held it in their hands, put it in burlap bags . . . describe this certain type of wreckage . . . light as a feather, ultra strong; could still scrunch it up in your hand . . . lay it out on a flat surface and it woudl resume it’s original shape. We are actively searching for a piece of that . . .

GN: What about the markings, the inscriptions . . .

DON: SUCH as described by Jesse Marcel Jr . . . yes . . . they’re basically geometric patterns embossed into the metal . . . slightly flexible but couldn’t break it, couldn’t cut it; couldn’t burn it. Col Blanchard base CMDR mentioned to his wife that it had strange writings on it . . .

GN: Why the coverup

TOM: They didn’t know what they had; if wanted to keep it from enemy, had to keep it from friends. Cold war just beginning; iron curtin had dropped; . . . 1938 War of Worlds radio broadcast . . . still in folks minds . . .

GN: What about the late Walter Haut’s affidavit?

We were instrumental in his preparing that . . . he had always resisted it before . . . He’d only admit he put out the original press release . . . he’d hand delivered it . . . year after year we kept going back . . . he and Col Blanchard . . . were like Uncle and Nephew . . . We just couldn’t believe that they shared such a bond without his knowing the full story . . . Walter Haut would slowly begin to describe things . . . and that became his final statement . . . in the last few weeks . . . Walter even in his own handwriting acknowledged who the ambulance driver was . . . Irvin . . . drove ambulance South Gate, 3 bodies . . . in Walter’s own handwriting . . . another piece of the puzzle . . . clearly suggests this was something beyond a weather balloon.

GN: Why did they decide to revise this book . . .

BK: WITNESS TO ROSWELL

DON: 1997 was the 50th anniversary year . . . most of the Roswell books were written that year. Don and I wanted to continue a proactive Roswell investigation . . . 2007 . . . 9 years of work we’d accumulated for the 60th anniversary . . . we wanted to let everyone know there was someone still investigating . . . so we wrote the book . . . we were overwhelmed at the response . . . The consensus was that it was the finest book ever written on Roswell.

TOM, Absolutely, they are not standing up waving a flag come and interview me.

We try and locate the name; hope they are still alive; hope they’ll talk to us. At least 90% of the people are gone.

Half the remaining 10% are not available to be interviewed due to the ravages of old age. Increasingly we are interviewing children and grand children . . . the surviving family members are often not as reluctant to talk.

Glen Dennis, the mortician . . .

Yes, he’s still alive. He no longer does interviews . . . his wife is in failing health . . . frail . . . there’s nothing more we seek to gain from him . . . Stanton uses the same term—racing with the undertaker. . . .

Just in the last couple days—we’ve been exchanging half a dozen names again . . . The investigation is still active, we are running out of time . . . we provide them the opportunity to go on record . . . to speak for themselves. . . . contrary to the government . . . the government can’t hurt them any longer this near to death.

Of course the balloon picture was fabricated for the camera.

Col Debois . . . signed a sworn affidavit—describing how the balloon part was a hoax . . . he didn’t know where the balloon came from as they weren’t launching them at the time.

Even the photographer said you could smell the rotting rubber as they approached the General’s office. Doesn’t fit the witnesses descriptions at all. . . . did not appear as something scattered out in the hot desert for days.

Frank Kaufman . . . claimed he was one of them first on the crash site . . . yet he seems to be one who may have fabricated part of his story . . . we discovered all the original documents BEHIND a drawer . . . that said he wasn’t who he said he was . . . docs being cut and pasted up. . . .His grandson . . . in his final weeks as he was dying of cancer . . . phone calls from a Col in Tex still warning him against talking . . . a car pulls up to the house during the time that Frank is withering down to 100 lbs and the cancer is taking its toll . . . an AirForce officer comes to the door and knows exactly where Frank’s bedroom is located, spends a half an hour with the door closed with Frank . . . then gets up and leaves . . .

As Frank told us . . . right after he got out of the hospital to be sent home to die . . . he said that “the game continues.”

He said that their game plan is to run out the clock until everybody’s gone.

GN: Was there an effort to keep neighbors shut from saying anything?

There was a monumental effort . . . the extreme efforts that were employed by the AIRFORCE TO SHUT PEOPLE UP. Today they’d be called civil rights violations . . . then they were in our country’s highest esteem . . . what happened here . . . they employed brutal tactics . . . especially with people who saw the bodies . . . those were the ones that were marked for special attention.

The ranchers, they went into their homes, turned the floor boards upside down; cut open meal sacks; drained water tanks looking for pieces of wreckage.

Civilians who knew about the bodies—they’d take the children into one room and parents into the other and tell both that they’d kill the other family members if they talked . . . who would think of doing that over a weather balloon.

We have lots of testimony of that sort.

The people that such tactics were employed . . . one reason of the cover up.

The bodies that Walter Haut testified to . . .

He described . . . small talk . . . in his office at the museum . . . how tall did Blanchard say the bodies were. His arms shot out about shoulder height—gotcha. He finally acknowledge that Blanchard did allow him to go to the big hanger . . . and Walter in his statement described that the craft was about the same size as a VW . . . they looked like they were child-size . . . heads were proportionally larger than the rest of the body . . . Walter was always quick to say he was convinced that it was extraterrestrial—no doubt. He said that the last 30 years of his lfie.

We had full clearance from his doctors that it ws a good time to do this—3 years before he passed away—3 years after he did the sgned statement—he still knew me and recognized me. . . he still joked with me.

How about JA Hynek . . . not Roswell . . . when he passed away in 1986 and we were going thru his personal files . . . we discovered that in his trips to NM, he was talking to some of the Roswell witnesses . . . they were recounting in some of the same detail they would later describe to us—they were telling him . . . but he ran out of tiem . . . he was encouraging us to follow up in his footsteps. . . . he was an inspiration to us . . .

Yes, his turn around from the AirForce’s chief debunker . . . The “swamp gas” guy . . . the press continued to bring that up. The Soccoro case with the Police Officer and the actual landing and the physcial traces on the ground . . . last time I was with him . . . Don, it’s stacking more and more of nuts and bolts. . . . he accepted there was a physical that was coming into our very air space and interacting with the witnesses . . . he was enough of a scientist that he not only admitted he was wrong . . . he couldn’t have been more outspoken that there was something extraordinary going on.

He often describved to us . . . it became evident early on that the hard corps cases were going upstairs and being kept out of bluebook.

GN Why revise?

TOM: The first 2007 edition did so well and was received so highly, let’s do it again . . . that was only part of it. We had accumulated more info since the first book . . . We didn’t get all the info into the first book that we wanted to as well as new info . . .

We insited that it be larger . . . that it included the most uptodate info.

Edgar Mitchell is from Roswell . . . he grew up in his early years in Roswell—he went to gradeschool in Roswell.

The new witnesses . . .

DON: We’ve been focusing more on death bed testimony . . . one of the things that continues to surprise us . . . these are reluctant witnesses . . . their immediate response is how did you find me; who told you about me . . . We’ve had people slam the phone down . . . we’ll even arrive unanounced . . . ;more times than not, we’ll be invited in and information will be divulged. We feel compelled that if we don’t do it, no one will.

We’re focusing on a lot of the younger recruits of that time . . . an MP attached to the 509 atomic bomb squad . . . TS clearance . . . he would admit before he passed away that he was one of the guards out at the body site

Eli Benjamin—also a member of the 390 . . . they invariably mention the little men . . . they dont’ call them ET’s . . . nor spacemen . . . they describe them in the vernacular of the time . . . “They sure weren’t from Texas” They are haunted by it. Eli Pvt 1st class . . . his wife noted that it haunted him all of his life . . . they sleep in different bedrooms because he’ll still sit bolt up in the middle of the night haunted by the face . . . when he first told us the bodies, he wept . . . he cried . . .after all these years, it’s soemthing that still brings out these emotions. It’s not that it was that horrible, unearthly, it’s just something that FOREIGN . . .

GN:. . . truly from another world . . . EVEN at this point where I think I’m insulated . . . car wrecks . . .you become immune. If I saw alien bodies—it would be so dramatic . . . that tells you so many things about what’s in the universe . . . I think I’d be overcome. I can’t blame these people.

They’ve survived the worst of WWII . . . but also their character that existed with all these people—the GREATEST GENERATION . . . who actually saw and handled . . . and didn’t rush into the streets.

GN: What did Eli think?

NO DOUBT THAT IT WAS CLEARLY SOMETHING FROM OFF THE PLANET.

Eli’s term was ‘species’ . . .

No, we don’t know if they were android or what . . . the child like quality shocked most people . . . Walter Haut in his first statement thought he was looking at children under the tarps. Secretary to the Hosp Adminsitrator Myriam Bush . . . “My God, They’re children” and then she saw the heads . . . she was haunted the rest of her life by the larg staring eyes . . . she suppsoedly committed suicied by wrapping a plastic bag over head. . . . sounds like a murder. her late bro George and his wife and another sister—there were bruises and scratch marks all over her arm . . . not sounding like a suicide.

Eli was certainly convinced that theyw ere extraterrestrial . . . Eli is still alive. . .

We’re asked that all the time about where did they come from . . . our mandate is to prove what happened in 1947. We leaave the speculations to where they were from to others.

We’re dealing with eyewitness testimony. We all remember JFK and where we were and what we were doing and we weren’t even involved. Certainly those involved with Roswell have keen memories.

Regarding the reactions . . . fellow Earl Pulford . . . mentioned extensively . . . passed away last Aug . . . he said that the reactions of base personnel ran from “so what” to grown men crying. The most emotional reactions was from the younger troops . . . panic, disbelief, not knowing what was happening to their belief system . . . belief in mother, God and apple pie . . . when they saw these things obviously not from mother earth, some of the younger ones lost it . . .

There’s speculation that we don’t engage in whether we shot them down or radar . . . our belief basically by deduction . . . there was a severe thunder and lightening storm. . . . I’ve never seen lightening like that . . .

GN I’m glad we took the car . . . the storms were incredible.

The storms come up so quickly off the mountains.

One can well imagine that . . . it’s often assumed that the craft was propelled by electromagnetism . . . the worst combination . . . a lightening bolt and electromagnetism.

GN: WHY is there still an incredible fascination with Roswell?

It’s still the most widely reported case.

It’s also the most interesting UFO case going . . . it’s not a willo-the-wisp in the night sky—it’s a nuts and bolts case with real bodies and a cover-up . . . it’s held my interest for 18 years . . .

Don will email me a new witness lead and I still get chills down my back.

GN: You have concluded that these are extraterrestrial?

TOM: ABSOLUTELY. There’s not a single witness to a balloon in Mack Brazel’s ranch. We have 600 witnesses to extraterrestrial. They only have a piece of the puzzle but [their piece is to that puzzle]

GN: The AirForce Hit man Hunter Penn Why was he in Roswell.

GN: Tell me about him

TOM Hunter . . . was a friend . Anthony B . . . an independent investigator in Fla . . . he’s long dead but he spoke with his daughter. He was a goon, an enforcer . . . He was the Tony Twist of the Air Force . . . whenever they needed a job that required a heavy hand, Hunter Penn was their man . . .

This was after their initial round of threats had been administered and things had gotten back to as normal as they could, they sent Hunter Penn to Roswell to reinforce the threats that had administered before . . .

According to his daughter, he was a fanatic about weapons . . . and a favorite of his was an ice pick . . . And his daughter thinks he used an ice pick at Roswell . . .

What really soured him on a military career was the talk amongst the MP’S about how rough they got with the ranchers and how proud they were of it.

GN: AIR FORCE PILOT BEN GAINES. . .

He’s still alive . . discovered by a reporter in Fla Billy Cox . . . he was the personal pilot in 1947 of Lawrence Craiggy who worked for Gen Curtis LeMay . . . head of Air Force R & D . . . Lawrence Craiggy was head of Research and Engineering . . . he flew Gen Craiggy to Roswell . . . didn’t know why . . . Craiggy said to him to get lost and it was there that he overheard the other officers talking about the saucer crash North of town and the little people . . . when they returned . . . his orders were to fly Criaggy back directly to President Truman and not go to Wright Field.

GN: Life photojournalist Alan Grant . . .

His is a strange story . . . he got orders from his boss to fly to Roswell that there was some sort of meteor crash . . . and he had just relocated from NY to Los Angeles . . .and he lands in Albuquerque and he’s met by an Air Force major and there’s a sigle engine trainer plane and they flew for half an hour and landed out in the desert. Here, Mr. Grant, I’m supposed to give you this—a 45 automatic . . . with clips and a holster and he puts the gun on . . . they drive out in the desert and they didn’t find anything. The Air Force officer told him he didn’t know what they were going to find and that’s why he needed the gun.

maybe it was a big ruse so they could tell other news agencies that Life magazine was on it.

GN: The midget story at the jailhouse surprising an officer

A JAG officer was flown to Roswell . . . didn’t know why . . . just report to the base, flies out there . . . yes, Sir, follow me, taken first to the big hanger . . . sees all the wreckage, UFO wreckage, seesthe things on a guerny under a sheet . . . what is this . . . follow me, Sir, my orders are to take you over to the jail, the brig . . . over here . . . take him over to the jail cell and he sees this little creature in Army fatigues . . . way oversized for him and he says, what am I supposed to do with this.

Someone else comes in . . . Oh, you’re not the one, and they shuffle him off . . . they suppose that was the one that was alive . . .

WE have testimony from a number of sources that saw an alive one at the impact site and at the hospital and someone saw it even a year later at Wright Patterson AFB even a year later . . . and that’s where the chain of record ends. Part of the umor mil is that it may have survived into the 50’s.

GN: Rescue mission?

There was talk obout an infiltration . . . Twining’s sons . . . an infiltration over Wright Field a week after the crash . . . a scramble over the base . . . Dr La Paz famous meteor expert from UNM . . . Ricket was assigned to spend a number of weeks with him in the field. Their job was to determine the flight speed and trajectory . . . quite a few of the ranchers were describing a number of objects with search lights looking for something . . . their conclusion was that they were looking for their downed comrades . . .

GN: WHy no huge attack? I guess they are not into that.

No, they are curious that we can’t even get along with our own families . . .

Just any outside intelligence monitoring our TV etc. . . . is it any wonder that they don’t land on the White House lawn. Our first reacton would be to shoot, recover and dissect.

GN: Sgt William Emmis Ennis?

He was an engineer who worked at bld 84 . . . he was one of those reluctant witnesses . . . .until last year, even to his own son . . . he stated over and over again it was just a weather balloon . . . we mentioned Sgt Earl Holford who had actually been part of the recovery team. We arranged for them to meet last year in Roswell to get reacquainted . . . and after a couple of hours privately . . . then we met with them . . .he said—whatever Earl’s telling you—it happened. Later he acknowledged it was a space ship from off planet. Before I go—I want you to figure out how it flew. It didn’t have a moving part on it.

We certainly intend on paying him another visit.

GN Philip Corso?

Philip Corso, I bleieve he was a retired Lt Col. He had a full life, an important life, why would he . . . why would he come forward like that if there wasn’t something to it. He had bonafides.

On the other hand, there are things int he book that we just don’t agree with. I have mixed views of him. Most everybody that we talk to when we’re in Roswell . . . the one book that they all seem to have read . . . they wonder why we don’t mention him. The answer is I’m still puzzled by him.

Frank Kaufman . . . about our having exposed him as a forger of documents. The first chapter of Corso’s book is essentially the Kaufman story.

The Roswell Chaplain Elijah Hankerson is another witness that Anthony B found. We have this year book from 1947 . . . pictures of 3,000 airman from the base . . . Hankerson is not in the year book but he is in the 1947 telephone directory for Roswell . . . He was the base Chaplain . . . Chaplains comfort the sick, the deceased . . . there’s a good chance he was out at the crash site. Anthony B interviewed the daughter . . . she was stunned that her parents were ever stationed at Roswell. Her parents had mentioned all the other bases where they had lived but they never mentioned Roswell. Some strange statements on his death bed . . . “There are many houses in my father’s universe.” “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.”

Hankerson was precipitously removed from his position and another Chaplain was brought in—a [Roman] Catholic priest . . . the idea being that Hankerson lost it over the incident.

call portion . . .

GN Dr Howard C Cross . . . Batelle

DON: Batelle started in 1929 . . . advanced research and dev. . . . life sciences, engineering, most specifically materials and worked very closely with Wright Field . . . foreign tech division . . . on captured WWII stuff . . . leading govgt contractor . . . also managed 6 other national labs

Jan 1994 . . . was invited to speak at Batelle to talk about Roswell, the entire first couple rows were filled with Batelle scientists who were taking notes . . . what did they not know that they were hopeing to find out???

They were definitely researching self healing materials in 1947

TOM: Tony B . . . a few years ago started looking into what became of the Roswell wreckage . . . after it came to Wright Patterson . . .he discovered scientific research papers in the 1970’s that ref’d a Batelle 2nd progress report from 1940’s about nikel and titanium . . . nickonal . . . memory metal . . . suggesting that the AIRFORCE farmed out to Batelle to research nikel and titanium . . . the contract went out right after the Roswell wreckage was brought in. It also presupposes that there was a first progress report in 1948 . . . looks like the AirForce tried to . . . memory metal successfully . . .

There are scientific references to these 2nd progress report that Tony has found . . . referred scientific journal reports . . . contract research in 1960’s & 1970’s . . .

late Gen Arthur Exxon . . . getting ready for the materials coming in from Roswell . . . they thought the materials had to be Soviet because it didn’t look like anything domestic. After testing, the opinion was unanimous that it was extraterrestrial.

Exxon was told that the metal was some form of pure titanium and another metal . . . we now know the other metal was nickel. The AIRFORCE contracting this out to Batelle to research nickel and titanium . . . the conclusion was that the AIRFORCE was able to tell what the metals were but didn’t have sufficient stuff to do further research.

They had combined nickel and titanium before WWII but not for memory metal purposes.

Mylar doesn’t match at all what any of the witnesses saw.

We’ve had first hand witnesses describing the assimilation [of the technologies] into the private sector. So that part of Corso’s book was correct.

It’s just a question of where . . . the ongoing speculation is Wright Patterson AFB . . .We’ve even been told that there’s a cement vault under the nuclear reactor on the base.

BILL BURNS . . . believes the story . . .

The book came out at the very time of the anthropomorphic dummy crash [farce] None of the major media touched the story. Only NBC’s DATELINE touched it and it was a hachet job. Was there some ulterior motive? That Corso was unwillingly used for—to muddy the waters?

Other than the cave drawings . . . where did this start?

There’s gotta be some previous communciation . . . suggesting that they wouldn’t have a recovery operation . . . obviously NM was a hotbed of research and testing at the time . . . first atomic bomb . . .

Confrontations with Robert Oppenheimer . . . Groves S-1 unit—they already had people in-line to deal with any kind of accident etc. Everybody was already in place . . . There were a lot of outside personnel who immediately came into Roswell . . . regularly assigned people talk about unknown Docs etc. . . . came in . . . the recovery team . . . and they were most proficient, efficient . . .

GN: Why the coverup? What are they afraid of?

#1 . . . still ignorant . . . of what it is that they have . . .

Also . a coverup. . it tends to get a life of it’s own . . .

Gen Barry Goldwater got chewed out by Gen LaMay and threatened as a Senator Reserve officer with being Courtmartialed if he brought it up again.

GN: anything frustrating, any roadblock?

No outside interference . . . over the years . . . a former AIRFORCE officer who’s father was at ROSWELL. We think he’s the focus of disinformation and to hinder our efforts. But no real roadblocks.

After the Proj Mogul . . . what a fiasco . . . We ran into especially officers who were receiving phone calls who had their new marching orders . . . first no metion of Mogul then all of a sudden that was the explanation.

. . . to find an actual piece of evidence . . . the lead evaporated . . . we are not finished with it. . . a piece of the real memory metal from the ship . . .

Deathbed testimony is admissible in a court of law . . . would be accepted as the same as physical evidence.

WE have proposed that very scenario of that very kind of show—a court case set up.

She and her brother were traveling through Roswell in 1947 . . . looking out their window and they saw two craft in the air and it looked like they crashed into each other while still in the air.

At the site several or a few of the little guys were milling around ambulatory grieving or crying or something with little boxes in their hands that soldiers upon their arrival promptly seperated them from . . . probably with rifle butts IIRC possibly killing one or two. Have you heard that story?

Yes we have heard the story and we’ve heard it from the very source . . . Gerald Anderson . . . totally unrelated to Roswell—the plains of St Agustine. We don’t consider him a reliable source.

My uncle died because of Roswell . . . he went out to Wright Patterson . . . saw the alien bodies . . . came home, picked up the family Bible . . . was speechless for 3 days and had a heart attack and died. . . . came through his wife and his sister who was my mother. Been around with us for 60 years.

Press photo coverup balloon wreckage . . .

VICTIMS . . . in the Raimey memo in the weather balloon photo. The word disc is also discernable. Also talks about setting up the balloon coverup.

CREATION OF A STRAW MAN . . . admit it and then tear it down and it evolves into the weather balloon . . . all the weather balloon demonstrations throughout the country.

JESSE MARCEL JR HAS BEEN A CHAMPION IN ALL THIS . . .. who handled some of the craft material as an 11 year old boy.

ESPECIALLY IN DEFENDING HIS FATHER. He was the number 1 intelligence officer in our military at the time.