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Part 16: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases © 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe
“I wonder if this triangle craft is coming from an entirely
different place? Entirely different aliens? Just what is this?”
- Richard M. Nixon, V. President, Oval Office, Fall 1958
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January 7, 2009 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 15, in which he describes in more detail an Oval Office meeting about UFOs with Vice President Richard Nixon in the fall of 1958 and the photographs shown to Nixon then, followed by a brief meeting in April 1959 with both Nixon and President Dwight Eisenhower in FBI headquarters, Washington, D. C. . . . .
“DID NIXON MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT HIS OWN CONFUSION OR FRUSTRATION ABOUT WHO EXACTLY WAS RUNNING THE AREA 51 OPERATION, ABOUT WHICH HE, AS VICE PRESIDENT, COULD NOT GET ANSWERS? Yes. He told us he was very upset that he could not get any direct answers either. Nixon said he was passing all the information on to Ike and that it seemed like ‘we’re all on the outside looking in.’ Then he said being on the outside was not the place to be if you are the U. S. President and Vice President trying to run the show. So, Nixon was going to speak to President Eisenhower about that. I don’t know what happened, but you would assume that Ike would have pulled whoever was in charge at Area 51 into the White House for a long talk. EVEN IF THAT HAPPENED, DID IT CHANGE ANYTHING? Not that we knew. Of course, Anthony and I never went back to Area 51 together, so I don’t know if anything changed or not. Photographs Shown to Nixon, Fall 1958 WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU LAY OUT ON THE SURFACE OF THE OVAL OFFICE DESK FOR NIXON TO SEE? Different photographs such as the Italian one. We had a tape recorder with us to play back the interviews we had with the eyewitnesses. We were going to play them back to Nixon, but he said he would rather that we just tell him what was on the tape. So we talked about what was on that particular Italian tape. We had sent CIA agents to Italy to interview the man and woman, the couple. THERE WAS A PARALLEL BETWEEN THE ITALIAN PHOTO AND THE MONTANA ANACONDA MINE PHOTO – THE SAME SORT OF DISC AND SMALL BEINGS OUTSIDE PICKING STUFF OFF THE GROUND? Yes. The craft were not entirely identical, but they were very close and the aliens came out, picked up stuff from the ground and went back into the craft. ITALY WAS PINE CONES. MONTANA WAS THE COPPER ORE. Yes. . . . . Area 51 - Not Honest with President Eisenhower
and Vice President Nixon? BUT THERE WAS THE LIVE, GREY ALIEN AT AREA 51 THAT COULD COMMUNICATE TELEPATHICALLY AND APPARENTLY HAD BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME. WHY WOULDN’T AMERICAN LEADERS BE GIVEN MORE INSIGHTS ABOUT WHO? WHAT? FROM WHERE? Right, Nixon said the information he had gotten from Area 51 about the grey alien there was that the being told everyone it was from the planet with the long number and name and that they were on Earth not to do harm, but were trying to help. Nixon said the grey being gave the same answers every time it was interviewed, but nothing solid was ever confirmed. Nixon said that if the grey being got a question it didn’t like, the being would not answer, just like the grey being is the top of security for someone else! (laughs) So, Nixon was frustrated that everyone got the same information, which was basically of very little help. DID YOU OR ANTHONY BRING UP THE FACT THAT YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT WHETHER THE GREY BEING WAS RELATED TO DEMONS IN ANY WAY? DID YOU TALK ABOUT THAT WITH NIXON? Not with Nixon, no. Nixon just looked at the beings as aliens that were able to operate on their own. The ‘extraterrestrial biological entity’ phrase never came out in any of those meetings. Nixon and everyone else just called them ‘aliens,’ and that was it. No one talked about specific types of aliens. Not ‘Greys,’ except the only time I ever heard the word ‘Greys’ was when Col. Jim taking us through Area 51 mentioned that the alien being we were seeing was a ‘Grey.’ That’s the only time I heard that term used. IN BOTH MEETINGS WITH NIXON AND THE LATER SPRING MEETING WITH NIXON AND EISENHOWER, NOTHING WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT ALIEN DIFFERENCES AND AGENDAS? DID EISENHOWER ASK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE 6-FINGERED HUMANOIDS AND THE GREY BEINGS? No, President Eisenhower just referred to them as different types of ‘aliens’ At that time apparently, there was no information about the 6-fingered aliens and where they were from. At least that never came up in the meetings. I remember saying to Anthony after one of the meetings, ‘Gee, this was a wash! We didn’t accomplish a thing!’ THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND. Yes. I always had the feeling that whoever was in charge of Area 51 was above the normal government. The Area 51 people probably told Eisenhower and Nixon exactly what they wanted to tell them and nothing more. And as I said, even Nixon commented, ‘We’re on the outside looking in.’ BUT HOW COULD THAT HAVE OCCURRED UNLESS PRESIDENT TRUMAN SIGNED SOME KIND OF EXECUTIVE ORDER SETTING IN MOTION A GROUP THAT WAS IMMUNE FROM CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT? THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO SET UP THE AUTHORITY OVER THE ALIEN PHENOMENON. Well, remember that even J. Edgar Hoover took it upon himself to do whatever he thought the FBI should be doing since he invented the FBI. You could never tell Hoover exactly what the FBI should be doing because his mind was closed to outside influence. I have a feeling that whoever was in charge of the TOP SECRET alien stuff decided what would be said or not said, including saying nothing of consequence to presidents after Truman. It seems to me that the Majestic 12 group set up by Truman has run it all by itself outside normal channels. Nixon Used Term “Majestic”
“Getting information out of Majestic is like
milking a cow that’s dry.” - Richard M. Nixon
DID YOU HEAR EITHER NIXON OR EISENHOWER EVER USE THE TERM ‘MJ-12’ OR ‘MAJESTIC 12’? [ Twelve military, business men and scientists appointed by Truman to study the UFO phenomenon in 1947. See Majestic Documents website below.] Nixon used the term ‘Majestic.’ He said that Majestic started this thing and were the first people who started it in the 1940s. Nixon said, ‘Getting information out of Majestic is like milking a cow that’s dry.’ NIXON REALLY SAID THAT? Yes. IN THE FALL 1958 WHITE HOUSE MEETING? Yes. BUT HE’S VICE PRESIDENT. DIDN’T YOU ALL TALK WITH HIM ABOUT WHY HE AND PRESIDENT EISENHOWER COULD NOT SIMPLY ORDER ALL MAJESTIC-12 INFORMATION TO BE DELIVERED TO THE AMERICAN LEADERS? No. IF PRESIDENT EISENHOWER WAS FRUSTRATED AND WANTED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE ALIEN PHENOMENON, WHY COULDN’T HE ORDER EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT MAJESTIC-12 HAD? Well, I know that at the last spring 1959 meeting I had with them, President Eisenhower actually said, ‘We need new USAF people on this. We can’t continue in the same mode we are in. We aren’t accomplishing a thing. We don’t know anything more than we did in the late 1940s and we need new people.’ When we walked out of the Oval Office, the USAF colonel in that particular meeting said, ‘Boy, I guess I’m fired!’ (laughs) . ... LINK THREE: . ... Part 17: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases © 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe
“We (CIA) gave President Eisenhower the report we had
that U. S. naval ships had radar screen information about saucer craft
coming in from outer space and going into the South Pole
and down into the Argentina region.” - “Stein,” Former Army/CIA UFO Analyst
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February 4, 2009 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 16, in which he described an April 1959 meeting with both President Dwight David Eisenhower and Vice President Richard M. Nixon at FBI Headquarters in Washington, D. C. that began with a UFO photo from Puerto Rico. . ...
“TALK ABOUT THE PUERTO RICO PHOTOGRAPH. Yes, we were talking about the photograph in Puerto Rico of a flying disc. I told Pres. Eisenhower in that meeting at FBI headquarters that the photograph looked like a German Haunebu II and the president said, ‘I think you’re right.’ . ... Die Glocke RFZ (RundFlugZeug, or Round Aircraft) series from 1934-41. As war had started
in 1939 the RFZ-5 became the Haunebu I (photographed above) and by 1941
the RFZ-7 had become the Vril 1. Source: medem.kiev.ua. DID PRES. EISENHOWER ELABORATE ABOUT WHAT WAS GERMAN AND WHAT WAS NOT IN TERMS OF THE DISCS? No, he didn’t. He just agreed with me that it looked like a German Haunebu II, so the president had to be familiar with the different types of craft, just from looking at photographs. I always had the feeling that Pres. Eisenhower knew more than we knew and that he knew a lot more than what Nixon knew. Nixon was not completely in the loop on this material because Nixon was always frustrated that he was outside looking in. . ... YOU OR NIXON DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING TO EISENHOWER?
No, you could never say anything like that in front of Pres. Eisenhower, like ‘Why didn’t you tell me?’ He would kick you out of the office! BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE NIXON SAYING TO EISENHOWER THAT HE KNEW HE WAS OUT OF THE INFORMATION LOOP? Yes. Nixon would never have gone to Eisenhower and asked him, ‘Why didn’t I get this information?’ At that time, Eisenhower would have chewed him up and down and never have given Nixon another ounce of information on anything. That’s the way Eisenhower operated – he was a lean, mean machine! You had to carry out orders very precisely with him. One detail left out and you were in the doghouse. 1959 Argentina Photographs AFTER THE FIRST MEETING WITH NIXON ALONE IN NOVEMBER 1958, YOU AND ANTHONY BARDEN WENT BACK TO YOUR SOUTHEASTERN MILITARY BASE. WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER THAT? DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER HIGHLY CLASSIFIED MEETINGS WITH ANYONE WHO HAD REALLY SENSITIVE UFO FILM OR PHOTOGRAPHS? I remember in January 1959, we had a courier bring in a bunch of foreign photographs. At that time, we had a photograph of an alien craft taken from a United States boat off the shore of Argentina in the south Atlantic. That’s the photograph we showed Pres. Eisenhower in April 1959, and I told him that it looked like a Haunebu II and he replied, ‘Yes,’ he agreed. . ...
BUT GERMAN CRAFT WAS THE MINORITY CATEGORY? Oh, yes, by far the minority – at least for overseas. Now, the United States – we don’t really know how many came for investigation and how many the FBI handled or what they all looked like. I do remember that when the U. S. plane with cameras on it flew up through the formation of saucers, those looked like the German technology in terms of appearance. . ... U. S. Navy Radar Picked Up UFOs
Coming from Outer Space to Argentina and South Pole We (CIA) gave President Eisenhower the report we had that U. S. naval ships had radar screen information about saucer craft coming in from outer space and going into the South Pole and down into the Argentina region. I told President Eisenhower this from the report we had about a new package of radar contacts. WHEN YOU SAID THAT, DID EISENHOWER HAVE MORE COMMENTS? He did not seem surprised. He said something like, ‘That is to be expected.’ Or, ‘We expected this.’ The news didn’t seem that important to him. It seemed like it was something Eisenhower was already familiar with and already knew and that we were just reviewing for him stuff that Ike had already seen. That’s what I gathered from the meeting. He might have received a report from CIA headquarters when it first came out, but we got it in January 1959. OR GOT IT FROM MAJESTIC-12? I don’t know how long the Majestic-12 people were in business. I do know there were references to Majestic-12 back to the 1940s. I don’t know if they existed under that specific name at the end of the 1950s. President Eisenhower Referenced Majestic-12 DID EISENHOWER EVER REFERENCE MAJESTIC 12? Yes. At one time, we were looking at the different photographs and Ike mentioned that he had told Nixon, ‘This looks familiar.’ It was an aerial shot over The Netherlands. Eisenhower said, ‘Contact Majestic-12 on this and verify if this is the same thing that MJ-12 had sent three months ago,’ or some time line like that. . ...
I never saw anything in regard to ‘MAJIC,’ but I heard about Majestic-12 in CIA meetings and what they were doing. We never got any photos that were stamped on the back, ‘MAJESTIC-12,’ or ‘MAJIC,’ or ‘MAJESTIC’ or anything like that. MAYBE THERE WERE PARALLEL TRACKS OF INTELLIGENCE AND THAT MAJESTIC-12 MIGHT HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL? THE CIA WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ITS OWN INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATIONS. THE FBI WOULD BE DOING ITS OWN INVESTIGATIONS. THE ARMY, AIR FORCE, NAVY AND ALL THOSE PARALLEL TRACKS – AND SOMETIMES INVESTIGATING EACH OTHER. Yes. . ... Nixon said Ike was really disappointed in the UFO research and that we needed new blood to move it all along because no one was accomplishing much. Nixon said that was Ike’s perception and that’s when the USAF colonel said to Anthony Barden and me, ‘Well, it looks like I’m out of a job!’ . ... Did President Eisenhower Visit An Alien Being
in California on February 20, 1954? THERE IS A RUMOR THAT PRESIDENT EISENHOWER WENT TO SEE A NON-HUMAN BEING IN CALIFORNIA. I never saw anything like that in any meeting we had and nothing was ever brought up that Ike had seen an alien or spoken with an alien or whatever it might have been.
[ Editor’s Note: On February 19, 2004, The Washington Post published a 50th anniversary update by reporter Peter Carlson about President Dwight Eisenhower's visit to Palm Springs California, on February 20, 1954. UFO Evidence archived the Post article this way: . ... FBI Was Investigating Human Abductions
and Animal Mutilations by Aliens
“The FBI told us that they had a lot of sightings,
but nothing out of the ordinary except for human abductions.
...we’ve also had some more cattle mutilations and things of that nature,
but nothing extremely different about the UFO craft themselves.” DO YOU REMEMBER ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT NIXON SAID OR ASKED IN THE MEETING WITH EISENHOWER IN APRIL 1959? No, he said very little as we went over our material. Then he said, ‘Do you guys have anything else to bring up?’ We said, ‘No.’ And he said, ‘Well, we’re ready for the FBI report.’ Then Nixon said to an FBI representative who was there, ‘In your report, is there anything that might be of interest to the CIA as far as looking for unusual types of craft overseas?’ The FBI told us that they had a lot of sightings, but nothing out of the ordinary except for human abductions. THE FBI SAID THAT? Yes. The FBI said they were investigating two abductions in which people claimed they were up in a saucer and came back. The two people had a neighbor who took a photograph of the craft. The two people plus the neighbor suggested to the FBI that the case was probably accurate, they told us. The FBI guy said, ‘Outside of that, we’ve also had some more cattle mutilations and things of that nature, but nothing extremely different about the UFO craft themselves.’ . ... The General is connected to the Roswell UFO incident in 1947as he headed the committee responsible for the Pentagon's files and recovered UFO items, according to Lt. Col. Corso, who worked for General Trudeau. Col. Corso says that General Trudeau actually managed a covert mission from his Pentagon office to disseminate recovered alien technology for American industries to back-engineer. ] . ... N TERMS OF THE DISCUSSION WITH NIXON OR ANYBODY ELSE IN WASHINGTON, D. C. ABOUT ABDUCTIONS, DO YOU REMEMBER ANYONE MAKING A COMMENT OR INTERPRETATION ABOUT WHAT THE ABDUCTIONS COULD MEAN? We’d gotten paper work earlier about human abductions, that the abducted people reported that a bright light came in their bedroom and they floated out the windows and up into a craft and were operated on or were inspected like a physical exam. Then they were back in their beds when they woke up in the morning. I remember one example that they had was a woman who floated out her bedroom window. There was a hedge with leaves on it outside and she grabbed the hedge and let go of the leaves back through the window inside her room. In the morning, she couldn’t remember what happened. But when she saw the hedge leaves by the window, then she remembered that she grabbed the leaves and reached back toward the window sill and purposefully dropped leaves inside her bedroom and there were hedge leaves inside her bedroom. So, she knew that she definitely was abducted. She was not dreaming it. THIS IS PART OF ONE OF THE FILES THAT YOU AND YOUR CIA UNIT AT THE SOUTHEASTERN MILITARY BASE RECEIVED? Yes, it was one file we received as an example. I don’t know the date of that case. I think we got that example along with other files right after the August 1958 trip to Area 51. A bunch of material was sent to us like that for our information to read in case we ran across foreign abductions. . ... PERHAPS more to follow depending on today's priorities. The articles are worth reading as a whole at the links. I may try and get the photo of the German type craft much bigger than a house . . . if I can track it down through Google etc. and get a link to it that's hot linkable.
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