Still looking for a fight? You must be, because you already know my thoughts, even though I doubt you would have the honesty to state them without mischaracterization. I told you that if there was any blood in the water it happened when ‘yoteman opened his own veins. I described ‘yoteman’s behavior to you as analogous to ‘suicide by cop.’ I don’t expect your agreement, but let’s have no pretense about my opinion (which I notice you, again, misstate). It’s no wonder you’re accused of practicing a religion. You carry your ‘poor little ol’ me’ act around on your back like a crucifix.
Your’s is an old act. I’ve been witnessing it for sixty years. According to my grandfather, it was old when the IWW was using it in the Twenties and the Thirties and throwing phosphorus cakes in Mid West wheat fields. It was old when the Socialists and the Anarchists were rioting at Haymarket in the 1880s. And, I’m sure it was an old act when Frédéric Bastiat wrote against the Socialists in the French Parliament in the 1850s.
You are what’s come to be known, thanks to Rush, as a seminar caller (I guess that makes you seminar FReeper). You are no more concerned about Evolution Theory than the Marxist/Socialist vermin, who infested our university campi in the Sixties, were concerned about civil rights or voting rights. If you were the deeply concerned, earnestly anxious FReeper you claim to be, instead of picking fights with Conservatives and Christians, you would be seeking their alliance in a desperate struggle against the cultural sewage inundating our society. Instead, daily you go out to attack the people who should be your allies and ignore the tsunami sweeping towards you.
You asked. This is your answer. Happy?
I’m just checking to see if all that concern about telling the truth about what happened to CM applies equally to both sides.
I concerned about making good decisions based on sound arguments, and knowing how to separate objective arguments from agenda driven propaganda. Half truths and perjoratives are their own indictment.
*ouch*
What's alarming about the whole thing is the failure to recognize or acknowledge what is being done in the name of their theory.
Anyone so concerned about *just teaching science* or *keeping science pure* should be just as alarmed at the misuse of the ToE by the left as a weapon with which to destroy the Judeo-Christian heritage and belief system as they are with the perceived attacks against the theory itself by the conservatives/Christians/creationists/ whoever they label their foe as.
Instead the evos line themselves up with and defend aggressively anti-Christian groups like the ACLU and NEA as they use science as a weapon to eat away at Christian belief. They should be as interested in rescuing science from groups like those as they are about "rescuing" science from those *fundies* who allegedly want to put us back in the dark ages and impose a theocracy on the country.
For the claim that evos are making that they are conservatives, they are fighting the wrong foes. If they'd take back science from the leftists who have hijacked it, the conflict with the religious conservative element would fade into the woodwork. Science shouldn't be political and yet that's the very thing that it's become.
We creationists have seen that and that is what we're fighting, not the science itself. It would be good if some of the evos saw that as well.
I also get the impression that many of the evolution-talkers really don't give a damn about the veracity of what they are saying from day to day, or what the effect of it is on the perception and understanding of science. They practice divisive propaganda entirely modelled on the socialist sort. They are afflicted, to varying degrees, with an aversion to the word "truth". Mentioning "truth" provokes some of them into incredibly disparaging statements of the very notion. And they are surprised by our reaction. Which is itself surprising. Why would someone believe that a conservative would go along with a theory of science based on the idea that there is no truth? If there is no truth, all that's left is a struggle of propaganda. Even though truth is a dirty word for some of these evolution-talkers, they nevertheless want us to "accept" what they say as if it were true. And we must "accept" their ever-changing, ever-evolving positions as well. It used to be true that recapitulation was definitive evidence for the truth of evolution. That truth has changed. But all this is of course just marxist-style philosophy on dialectically evolving truth. The truth is whatever the party says today.
Here's something from the preface (by MacDonald) to Enrico Ferri's Socialism and Positive Science. If I recall correctly, Ferri was a student of Caesare Lombroso, who was, alongside Ernst Haeckel, an honorary associate of Rationalist Press:
"The chief value of this study, however, is the claim that it so successfully makes, that the Socialist conception of human progress and of the social conditions which are to be the characteristics of the next, the Socialist, stage in that evolution, is not only in accordance with the processes which Darwin proved to be the method of the development of life from the Moneron to man, but is those very processes themselves applied to human society with such modifications as are necessitated by the fact that they now relate to life, which can consciously adapt itself to those circumstances, and aid natural evolution by economising in experimental waste. Thus, Socialism is naught but Darwinism economised, made definite, become an intellectual policy, applied to the conditions of human society,""It maybe true logically, as Ferri asserts, that once the evolutionary process is granted, it is as easy to swallow the gnat of eternal and self-existent force and matter as it is to swallow the camel of an eternal and selfexistent God."