Don’t Call it “Darwinism” [religiously defended as "science" by Godless Darwinists]

springerlink ^ | 16 January 2009 | Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch

[metmom]

And all those can apply to the evos as well.

What’s it to them if someone wants to believe God over man?

Why do they have to resort to insults and slander about someone who believes differently than they?

Why the mockery and ridicule that we believe fairy tales, mythology, folklore? Why names like cretards, IDiots, ignorant, and stupid?

Why the obsession to see others think the way they do to the point of having it legislated or enforced through the judiciary?

What exactly, are they trying to accomplish with those means?

The Amish believe in creation. Would you rather not have them as a neighbor? Would evos label them as *ignorant cretards who would have us all live in the dark ages*? Are they stupid for not believing in evolution?

[metmom]

Can we handle a lively debate of our beliefs, or do we want nothing more than an echo chamber?

Echo Chamber? Like DC where it's posted up front that opposing views are not welcome?

No lively debate allowed there and it's posted up front for all to see.

Like what the FRevos are trying to turn FR into?

How can one have lively debate when the person posting the thread insists that people who disagree with him leave, as in posts 28 & 49.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

Most FReepers are opposed to the misuse of science to further political agenda. When we fight that, we are accused of being anti-science instead of being rightly recognized as anti-agenda.

And Coyoteman was opposed to the misuse of science to further a religious agenda. And when he fought that, he was accused of being anti-God instead of being rightly recognized as anti-agenda.

[Mr. Silverback]

You’re going to tell me that the behavior described in post 1,043 is simply being “anti-agenda” and not anti-religion?

[Mr. Silverback]

The mods wouldn’t have told him to stay off the Christian threads if some Christians hadn’t constantly complained that he was hurting their delicate sensibilities.

You do realize the point of the Religion forum is to provide a place for Freepers who are believers to discuss religion, right? A secularist would belong on there like Ken Hamm belongs on Darwin Central, yet Coyoteman being asked not to post there is being treated like some kind of crime.

[tacticalogic]

I've watched people of various faiths go after each other over religious differences on these threads that would get them invited to leave if they were posted on any thread in the Religion forum.

It's not just CM and this thread. The science threads turn into a general religion pissing contest the minute they venture anywhere near conflicting with somebody's creation doctrine.

[grey_whiskers]

Just because a person posts at DC doesn’t mean they are trolling, it just means that is where they have to go to be able to discuss science now.

Malarkey.

Click here.

Fossils and everything. But no flamewars.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

Malarkey, there is a great deal of trolling going on, see the post that got Coyoteman banned and here just off the top of my head from *this* thread.

Cheers!

[tacticalogic]

Malarkey, there is a great deal of trolling going on,

Yep. And everybody claims their hands are clean.

[NicknamedBob]

"Can we handle a lively debate of our beliefs, or do we want nothing more than an echo chamber?"

Based upon the responses I've seen posted to your question, the answer is no, we cannot. The howler monkeys always drown out earnest discussion.

As I said earlier, it's a sad day, but it's not the first sad day. I never thought the Peter Principle would apply to a web site.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

You’re going to tell me that the behavior described in post 1,043 is simply being “anti-agenda” and not anti-religion?

No, I'll tell you that post 1043 is not an accurate description of CM's behavior.

[Mr. Silverback]

You’re going to look at the DC tread I gave you a link to and tell me that those folks aren’t trolling? You’re going to tell me they respect this site, its members and its owner and should be given respect in return?

[grey_whiskers]

Yep. And everybody claims their hands are clean.

NOT ME!

Cheers!

[Mr. Silverback]

Based upon the responses I've seen posted to your question, the answer is no, we cannot. The howler monkeys always drown out earnest discussion.

Take a look again at post 1,043.

Now, go ahead and tell me that a guy like that would only be bannned if we want FR to be an echo chamber.

Go ahead and tell me that he's looking for an "earnest discussion." If you do, I'll have a very good laugh, but I won't try to have you banned. One-sided discussions are for those super-awesome intellectually superior dudes at DC.

[Mr. Silverback]

It’s a very accurate description of the behavior I witnessed. It is also behavior that should result in a ban even if it was only one percent of his behavior on this site.

What I really enjoy is how evos like Coyoteman and CE2949BB wanted JimRob to throw all the creationists off the site so we wouldn’t look bad, but he’s suppposed to keep people who strap tinfoil to their noggin and mutter about Dominionists taking over the country from their well-staffed phone booth. Good grief, what a persecution complex you folks have.

[tacticalogic]

Go ahead and tell me that he's looking for an "earnest discussion." If you do, I'll have a very good laugh, but I won't try to have you banned. One-sided discussions are for those super-awesome intellectually superior dudes at DC.

You ever contributed to turning a thread into a flame war?

[tacticalogic]

Okay, you contributed to the flame wars too. So have I. Did it ever get you anything wortwhile you couldn’t have gotten just as well being civil?

[grey_whiskers]

I wouldn't have had nearly as much fun, unless I had called out the trolls.

Cheers!

[tacticalogic]

I wouldn't have had nearly as much fun, unless I had called out the trolls.

And your trolling begets more trolling. Before it's done there's noting left but insults and single issue battle lines drawn.

[grey_whiskers]

Feh. I'm not a troll -- I said my hands weren't clean, i.e. I joined the dispute.

Nice try though.