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To: betty boop
Neither the benevolent designer nor the multiverse is an observable datum

Certtain aspects of the observable universe suggest that large objects are being affected by gravitaional effects outside our universe. Maybe we will have to redifine universe.

120 posted on 12/09/2008 10:27:36 AM PST by Soliton (This 2 shall pass)
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To: Soliton; metmom; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; svcw
Certtain aspects of the observable universe suggest that large objects are being affected by gravitaional effects outside our universe. Maybe we will have to redifine universe.

Yes; but — how on the basis of the scientific method would science actually be able to tell whether the effects in question were caused by an intelligent designer or a multiverse?

If you think we ought to redefine "universe" to accommodate multiverse(s), then we'll have to get a whole new word for whatever we come up with. For "universe" denotes "oneness," an all-encompassing, unified order. Unless we can show that the sum of all possible multiverses constitutes a "one." But this doesn't look like a scientific problem to me, FWIW.

Last time I checked, there were dozens of multiverse theories. As a purely practical matter, how can any of them be tested since all are, in principle, unobservable on the basis of direct perception (just as the intelligent designer is also "unobservable" on the basis of sensory experience)?

131 posted on 12/09/2008 2:44:08 PM PST by betty boop
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To: Soliton; betty boop
[ Certtain aspects of the observable universe suggest that large objects are being affected by gravitaional effects outside our universe. Maybe we will have to redifine universe. ]

Glad to see you've come around( d;-)..)..
Thats what believing in God(the judeo-christian one) is all about..
Something extra-universal..

146 posted on 12/09/2008 5:24:33 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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