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To: Conscience of a Conservative

The British used natural law as a determining factor of citizenship. Anyone, born anywhere under a British domain was considered a British subject, just like Obama’s father.

We fought the Revolutionary War to gain our independence from Great Britain, to not be considered subjects under the Crown. By pledging allegiance to the United States, all former subjects were naturalized citizens. Dual citizenship was not an option, remember at the time we were dealing with the British.

During the War of 1812, the British were forcing American citizens into fighting for them because of the “natural born” law.

It is quite clear that allegiance was of the utmost importance. The 14th amendment was ratified after the War of 1812 where the British tried to pull the dual citizenship card.

And as for anchor babies, I don’t think they would be considered citizens at all. Their parents are not under the complete jurisdiction of the United States. They still are under the jurisdiction of their native countries, that is why they deal with their consulates while here. Like that cheesy marticular card.

The Framers did not want to emulate Britain, they wanted their laws to be based on the freedom of individuals. It was a choice to become naturalized and it still is. If it was not the case, why have the law to begin with?


63 posted on 12/08/2008 3:56:54 AM PST by panthermom
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To: panthermom
It is quite clear that allegiance was of the utmost importance. The 14th amendment was ratified after the War of 1812 where the British tried to pull the dual citizenship card.

That is simply wrong. The Fourteenth Amendment was ratified after the Civil War, not the War of 1812, and it was intended largely to ensure citizenship and (somewhat, at the time) equal rights for former slaves. It had nothing to do with British dual citizenship.

And as for anchor babies, I don’t think they would be considered citizens at all. Their parents are not under the complete jurisdiction of the United States. They still are under the jurisdiction of their native countries, that is why they deal with their consulates while here. Like that cheesy marticular card.

Again, we can argue over and over about whether "anchor babies" should be citizens. However, under the 14th Amendment, they are. The 14th amendment does not say "subject to the complete jurisdiction," it simply says "subject to the jurisdiction."

64 posted on 12/08/2008 4:03:15 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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