[BP2]

Note the questions at BOTTOM regarding 14th Amendment issues and how thed might affect Barack Obama Jr's status...

Barack Hussein OBAMA, Sr., Ph.D.
Stanley Ann DUNHAM

Husband:  Barack Hussein OBAMA, Sr.
Birth:  1936, Alego, Kisumu Dist., Nyanza Prov., KEN
Death (car crash):  1982, Nairobi, KEN
Education:  University of Hawaii at Manoa, Honolulu, HI; Ph.D. in Economics, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA
Occupation:  Senior Economist, Kenyan Ministry of Finance
Religion (according to son):  "raised a Muslim," but a "confirmed atheist"
Tribe:  Luo
Other Spouses:  m1. Helima (no issue); m3. Sarah, who is the woman Barack Jr. refers to as his (paternal) grandmother
Father:  Onyango¹¹, a.k.a., Hussein OBAMA (1895-1979) — Obama¹⁰, Obiyo⁹, Okoth⁸, Obongo⁷, Otondi⁶, Ogelo⁵, Kisodhi⁴, Owiny³, Sigoma², Miwiru¹
Mother:  Akuma / Akumu

Marriage:  1960; Divorce: 1963

Wife:  [Stanley] Ann DUNHAM
Birth:  29 Nov 1942, Fort Leavenworth, Leavenworth Co., KS
Death:  7 Nov 1995, Honolulu, Oahu, HI
Education:  University of Hawaii at Manoa, Honolulu, Oahu, HI; B.A., M.A., Ph.D.
Occupation:  cultural anthropologist
Religion (according to son):  raised by non-religious parents and "detached" from religion
Transhumance:  1967, from Honolulu, HI, to Jakarta, IDN; 1971, son back to Honolulu, HI
Other Spouse:  m2. aft. 1963, Lolo SOETORO (2 Jan 1930 - Jan 1987); divorced late 1970s
Other Child:  Maya SOETORO, b. 15 Aug 1970, Jakarta, IDN; m. Konrad NG
Father:  Stanley Armour DUNHAM
Mother:  Madelyn Lee PAYNE

Children:

1.  Barack Hussein "Barry" OBAMA, Jr., b. 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, HI 

[At the time of Barack's birth, both of his parents were students at the East-West Center of the University of Hawaii at Manoa; Barack's stepfather, Lolo SOETORO, was also a student at the East-West Center.]

Keywords for search engines:  Kenya, Indonesia, Java; USA, US, United States, Hawaii, Kansas, Massachusetts

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Sources:

1.  Barack Obama's Birth Certificate.

2.  William Addams Reitwiesner, compilier.  Ancestry of Barack Obama.

3.  Anon.  9 Sep 2007.  "The Obama Family Tree."  Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago, IL (PDF file online at suntimes.com).

4.  Photograph: Ann Dunham and Lolo Soetoro, Maya and Barack (online at kansasprairie.net).

5.  Photograph:  Barack Obama and Half Sister, Maya (online at kansasprairie.net).

6.  Miscellaneous sites on the web, including Wikipedia.

DOES Barack Obama Sr's status as "Kenyan Ministry of Finance" affect his status and his son's status as they traveled together? Would both Baracks's citizenship be affected if they were operating as a diplomatic envoys, minister plenipotentiary, or resident representative with the rank of Ambassador or minister plenipotentiary?

7 FAM 1116.2-2 Officers and Employees of Foreign Embassies and Consulates and their Families:

a. Under international law, diplomatic agents are immune from the criminal jurisdiction of the receiving state. Diplomatic agents are also immune, with limited exception, from the civil and administrative jurisdiction of the state. The immunities of diplomatic agents extend to the members of their family forming part of their household. For this reason children born in the United States to diplomats to the United States are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and do not acquire U.S. citizenship under the 14th Amendment or the laws derived from it. Barack Jr was born in ’61, and his father assumed Ministry in ‘64-’65).

Now, DOES Barack Obama Sr's status as "Kenyan Ministry of Finance" affect his citizenship status and his son's status as they travelled together or even if Barack Jr lived in the US under diplomatic protection or graces. Would both Barack’s citizenship be affected if they were operating as a diplomatic envoys, minister plenipotentiary, or resident representative with the rank of Ambassador or minister plenipotentiary as governed by the 14 Amendment and existing Immigration Laws?

Also, after Barack’s parents’ divorce (reportedly in ’64), while in Indonesia, Ann got a job at the American embassy teaching English after getting married (’67) to Lolo Soetoro (possibly once her former Kenyan husband “pulled some strings”).

Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries.

Indonesian passports require renewal every five (5) years. At the time of Obama’s travels to Indonesia, Pakistan and India, Obama was twenty (20) years old. If Obama would have been a U.S. citizen, which he was not, 8 USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by native born citizens upon "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...after having attained the age of eighteen years”, in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1) Since Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Obama as his son and/or adopted Obama, Obama was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, as proven by Obama’s school record. HOWEVER, were Barack Jr and Ann Dunham traveling under the diplomatic auspices of Barack Sr, even though he and Ann were divorced? Where would the records be: in Kenya, Indonesia, or the UK?

[The Watcher]

Now that’s a very interesting question.

His father, if he obtained “diplomatic immunity” would have removed Obama from US Jurisdiction. This tends to violate the idea of being SOLELY under the jurisdiction of the US, during his life. And adoption would muddy the water even more.

[zarodinu]

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

[WestCoastGal]

HI BP2
I FReepmailed you two days ago that I am being pinged to threads several times and to please take me off your ping list. PLEASE!!! Thank you

[Frantzie]

Good find.

[BP2]

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