Posted on 11/28/2008 12:41:56 AM PST by neverbluffer
Ok, we all have doubts about the birth certificate. But, several things keep bothering me. From reading many blogs and posts, the same issues continue to raised.
1. Why is nobody in the MSM, including all the people we thought would be all over this... Hannity, O'Reilly, Levin, Rush, etc completely silent on the issue?
2. Why was Senate Resolution 511 drafted? Most notably, by all Democrats who seemed to be defending John Mccains birth eligibility. Why would Democrats go out of their way to draft such a resolution. The primary sponsor was Claire McCaskill, who we all know has been so much in the tank for Obama and practically has a crush on him. Why was this resoultion drafted in April 2008 right when it was obvious that barack wuld win the nomination over Hillary. Why did Barack co-sponsor this legislation and add language, when he normally was never in Washington during the campaign time?
It is obvious to me. Senate resoultion 511 addressed the issue of John McCains "natural born" status, so the issue could be brought to the table without mentioning Obama. But, could be used in Ovama's defense if the issue ever arose. In my opinion, several Senate Democrats including "The One" created an ALIBI!!! Senator Leahy even when so far as to get Michael Chertoff to agree, that it is their interpretation that anybody born to an American citizen is "Natural Born"
Remember, Claire McCaskill was also a potential VP nominee.
Am I crazy here? I think that if this issue of birth certificate ever becomes a problem, there will be a reference to the senate respolution to muddy the legal waters.
Somehting bigger than just the birth certificate is going on here. There seems to be a whole consipracy!
Please share your thoughts.
Pres. Bush knows the media would flay him alive if he uttered a word.
Sooooooooo, these people realize— who are the folks going to believe..their own eyes or the lying media.
You all know the answer to that, because the first question anyone has when you speak about the COLB is, I don't believe it because otherwise, wouldn't the MSM have said something about it?
It's just too shocking for us to believe that America has been sold to the highest bidder.......
If you were a politician, would you stake your career on this or would you wait for someone else to bring it up and when it became more popular, jump on the bandwagon?
He is president. He ran for the position, and won the position 8 years ago. It is a position with a lot of responsibility, and a position that at times can be very thankless and draining. If you take the oath, you have to do the right thing for the country, even if it means getting flayed alive by the media (which has already happened anyways, and has happened for his entire term apart from a brief several month period after 9-11). If you cannot withstand a media flagellation, then one should not be running for POTUS.
Furthermore, his term is ended. Sure, I can understand why someone seeking relection (say a congressperson) may hold off (although that would still be unpatriotic), but a president who has already been covered with all the muck and mire the media could mass together, and who is leaving the post anyways in a few weeks?
However, even if Bush was running for another term, he is the President. If Obama is not eligible then there is no excuse for doing nothing. Particularly if it is what the media may have to say about it.
Otherwise, if the COLB issue is legit (as I said, I have doubts unless there is a MASSIVE conspiracy, and I hardly subscribe to conspiracy theories), then with all these people doing nothing a constitutional requirement could be broken. Because of people being afraid of the media flaying them alive?
That is not a sufficient reason.
Otherwise even soldiers could say they don't want to fight in case the enemy actually shoots at them! If a 19 year old can go and die for his country, then a president who is already seen as Mr Magoo incarnate by the media can afford to have his already media-soiled reputation ruffled a little further if it means standing up for his country!
I'm sure the 19 year old would choose a media beating over an 7.62 Kalashnikov round, but he still went to war. A president should be expected to also stand strong, especially when all he is facing is more slime from ABCNBCCBSCNN---and ----FOX.
I know all the media ignoring this is really depressing!!! We all need to understand that they are only spreading propaganda at this point. They have sold America down the river!! I’m ready for some new ideas to get the public or media attention. Any thoughts?
On the bright side, I did notice that there appears to be a lot more Youtube videos about the subject of Obama’s BC in the last 3-4 days. The word is getting out there.
Sounds like an admission to me.
No birth certificate. No peace.
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1. applied to a Chicago university and it appears that was always her plan in the summer of 1960
2. she didn’t get pregnant in November and deliver in August 1961
3. She was pregnant probably in late July or early August of 1960...and likely delivered at the end of April or early May 1961
4. they married at the end of April 1961
5. they arrive six weeks into the fall semester in 1960
I've read a few things about Obama and I have never seen anything like the stuff you present here.
I'll be looking forward to your documentation.
That’s old news.
If you really want to do something because of Saudi influence, BURN YOUR 1040. There is no entity more pro-Saudi Arabia than the US Government.
sure, it could be that. However, my original question still stands. What about the GOP, what about the Conservative me dia guys like Rush, and what about President Bush? If Obama is not eligible, they have NO excuses for staying silent. Thus my last post (22 I believe).
I agree, there is more to the story then birth location. Atlas Shrugged blog lays out the scenario very well. There is the conflict with the need for the senate resolution 511, obama’s long ties and fan base in Kenya, and the ‘Malcolm X’ scenario. Perhaps I need to reread her blog on this.
I always kinda thought that key Democrat financiers backed Bill Clinton despite knowing about his past problems. It was useful to have something on him that they could use to get him out of office if he "deviated from the script". But Bill was too much of a socio-path to do the honorable thing & resign when he got caught. Nobody figured that he'd be willing to tie the country in knots.
Perhaps the citizenship thing is the weapon that they're holding in reserve for Obama?
OK. I'm going to re-wrap my head in tinfoil now...
Seems suffiencent to me. Once I think about it, if I were in these pols shoes, I may think about keeping my mouth shut too.
Although I believe the COLB is a fake, therefore Obama has no business being presumptive president elect. I would venture to guess that these people are scared to death of the implications of all of this.
I am praying that the truth sees the light of day soon. There has got to be an honest constitution loving judge out there willing to open this can of worms and let the chips fall where they may.
People like Hanity, Rush, Laura and others are scared as well. I just don’t understand why it is considered tin foil hat stuff if we are asking that the man produce a real hard copy of his complete BC.
It is our duty and right to do so period. Frankly, I am very disappointed in these so called truth detectors. When they scream bloody murder over the so called fairness doctrine to thier listeners, I will scream back where were you when we needed you regarding Obama’s BC? I’ll say live with it I have to.
Politicians in general with a few exceptions are cowards!! None of them give a rats behind about the rule of law or Constitution.
Anyway my opinion.
So this coming week is when things will be happening. Supposedly by Monday a response from the Obama camp is due in the Berg lawsuit, and on Friday (a week from today) we’ll have the discussion behind closed doors by SCOTUS. In the Berg lawsuit issue, can the Obama camp get away with just not responding at all? After all, Obama is cruising right along with his cabinet appointments and acting like everything is just a-okay.....
It sounds like an admission that Leo Donofrio is correct and this Resolution 511 is further evidence of such. Note here from the Resolution:
"Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States."
Note the words "American citizens". It's plural not singular. Thus by their very approval of this Resolution 511, the Senate has admitted to a definition of "natural born" as "born of two American citizens" not just one as is the case with Barack Obama.
But note that the Resolution goes further and admits that the place of birth is also a requirement, noting [erroneously of course since he was actually born in Panama not on the military base there] that the place of birth must also be on American territory.
Barack Obama fails to meet either part of the Senate's very own definition of "natural born" in this Resolution.
This Resolution 511 should be tied around the neck of all the Senators who voted for it and choked with it until they are forced to deal with what they voted for and why they voted for it. While the Constitution does not define "natural born", these Senators sure did right here in this Resolution and Barack Obama fails on both of their counts to meet it.
This Resolution is a testimony against any Senator who would accept electoral votes for Obama for President -- and they all need to be reminded of it.
The Resolution is wrong.
John McCain, although born of two American parents, was not born in the Panama Canal Zone or on an American military base. He was born in Colon, the Republic of Panama, in a civilian hospital.
Congratulations. You’re a member for less than a month and already posting conspiracy threads.
Wait a minute, if you were the President of the United States, you would keep your mouth shut? Because the media (which already detests you and has thrown everything at you apart from the proverbial kitchen sink) may accuse you of something? You would actually castaway your duty-bound honor to the office and to the country, just because of what may be said about you?
Again, I ask, why then shouldn't a conflict-bound young soldier of 19 years say that he does not want to get shot by the enemy, and thus should rather stay at home. Both that soldier, and the president, have taken oaths of service to the country. If the president is willing to abandon the very constitution that made this country great, as well as abandon the oath of office and his duty to the country and its people, all because he is afraid what the MEDIA may say ....if that is the case, then why should the young soldier not do the same. After all, a bullet is far more perilous than a thousand articles calling you a name?
I am really amazed that people are 'understanding' how a person who is duty-bound to this country can let something 'pass.' If one couldn't hack the heat, then they should have capped running for office at varsity level. If the office requires you to handle the largest most intricate economy on earth, the mightiest military machine ever to exist to date on earth, the most dynamic mind-base on earth, and face off against the most potent (and wide) set of foes ever on earth ....and one cannot handle the MEDIA?
That, in my opinion, is an impeachable offense. Furthermore, it would be treason to the nation if you, as president, refuse to AT LEAST SAY SOMETHING if you knew the next guy coming up is not eligible for the post, and by doing so let your nation get run by someone who may not even be of your nation.
I personally do not 'understand' that, and I am not even American! I know I wouldn't stand by and have a citizenship imposter take over the country of my birth (actually Kenya, and no ...I refuse to see Obama as Kenyan. As far as I am concerned, his school papers stated he was Indonesian, so they can claim him) ....and Kenya doesn't have a juggernaut economy, doesn't have the widest economic, social and geo-political clout in the world, and doesn't have a military that could call down nuclear Gehenna with an order from the POTUS. Yet, even then, I wouldn't let some imposter waltz into office, even if that office is not as powerful. Yet people are willing to 'understand' why no one, including the current president, would say anything concerning the COLB.
Amazing!
First of all, I said I may think about not saying anything. I am trying to be realistic. It is easy for us to sit here at our keyboards and act brave. When push comes to shove just what would I do? I dont know. I am being honest.
This is bigger than President Bush. It is not just him that would reap the whirlwind from this. I can say that if the truth comes out and I pray it does, all hell is going to break loose.
My sister voted for Obama. The other night we were talking about this. She said well, what do you know about his background etc...I said to her, I’ll tell you what since you voted for him, what do you know about him? SHE DOES NOT KNOW!!! These are the kind of people who said the country be damned and voted to a person they have no clue about. Now, here we are legitimaely questioning his citizenship. These people are going to come unhinged!!
Nobody, even the president does not want to be responsible for this. I don’t think President Bush gives a darn about the press he never really did. But this is unchartered territory.
Bottom line: I was trying to point out that I don’t trust any politician in Washington or anywhere else to do the right thing. That was the point I was trying to make.
Produce the Dog Gone Birth Certificate
If you want to start a viral e-mail on this subject, this would seem to me to be the ideal candidate. 37,000 plus views in a week on YouTube so it is getting some attention.
The silence is telling, very likely to be a serious qualification problem as this continues. The problem with releasing any credible information before 15 Dec. is that Hillary could still be a write-in by the Electors.
The thing to look for—if there is real problem—will be for one or two Electors to switch votes for Hillary, with a wink from the DNC—she needs to be one of the three in the certified results when Congress meets if the dems want to vote for her over McCain in the event Obama is called out.
My bet is that Cheney (Senate Pres.) will be the one to delay the vote on President-Elect and move this over to SCOTUS on 6 Jan. If SCOTUS sees this move coming, they may force the issue with one of the lawsuits before 15 Dec.
I believe the 15 Dec. gate explains the deep silience, which won´t keep after the Electors vote (Also explains why the conservative media is staying off this topic for now).
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