Posted on 11/07/2008 10:40:35 AM PST by Traviswf
No... you're just wrong. Not special.
What are you talking about? No one in either of these locations had anything whatsoever to do with the Taliban. This is just plain fiction.
Wrong
Iraq used to be a place where the was water and power and innocent people could walk the streets without getting blown to pieces. It used to be a place where you could be openly Christian without being murdered. I'm not saying that it was better under Saddam — no, that opinion comes from Iraqis themselves. Iraq is a mess. You have an awfully ignorant definition of "progress." Your baseless claims are propaganda. The truth on the ground is not as you describe it.
Hahahaha.. oh lord, please... stop. My ribs ache. Read any of the COUNTLESS stories on former Iraqis returning to help rebuild their fledgling democracy. Read the NY Times article on Dr. Tamimi who left Canada and a great life to become the mayor of Baghdad. Read about the Kurdish society in the north, where universities, shops and an airport now reside. These people were the largest group in the middle-east without a nation; I suspect even in your twisted logic you can find a place in there to approve of that "progress."
I don't really care what you believe. The American public doesn't buy this line anymore. Frankly, they don't really know what's going on either, but they just want it to stop. I'm saying it never should have started in the first place.
Finally, you admit that you don't care what I think... If that doesn't constitute an admission that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, nothing ever will. After all, you responded to me. If you didn't care, you could've just shut up. Fascinating
No, I’m just saying those coming here trolling and posting nothing but red meat intended to divide Conservatives, many signed up recently. As you or another pointed out, they also see a pattern from 2005 perhaps.
We can pretty well instinctively see who is here pulling for our cause and who is trolling. The Mods can see it better than anyone and I think they torture us sometimes by leaving trolls on here awhile so we can battle it out. But actually a good troll post brings instant unity to our side.
For example: Marines find underground nuke complex
Gee... what ever happened to that underground nuke complex or the "mobile bioweapons labs" or any of those other early reports? They were false. We found nothing but a few old, decayed remnants from the early 90's.
One or two answered posts could've kept this discussion rolling for a whole day.
Personally I haven't seen a thread hit 1k in quite awhile.
How about opposing the socialist at every turn? It's really not that difficult.
Since you're such an expert on our republic
Still bitterly clinging to your precious "democracy" I see.
Umm, nice try (I love when someone answers like a Valley Girl) I destroyed your point with facts. You have nothing of substance to respond with. Pointing to one situation that wasn’t what someone had said it was does nothing to refute an entirely separate factual statement. You have proved yourself intellectually dishonest.
WrongWell, now that you put it that way, I see your side of things.
Read the NY Times article on Dr. Tamimi who left Canada and a great life to become the mayor of Baghdad.That's OK, I've already read the works of dozens of Iraqi bloggers who have fled the country, including the guys from "Iraq the Model," who supported the war — initially.
Read about the Kurdish society in the north, where universities, shops and an airport now resideYou mean the stuff that's been there since well over a decade, when we were protected that region with a no-fly zone? Just because you just found out about it doesn't mean it's progress.
I’ve seen a fair amount of Obama voters in the past few days really making an effort to reach out and assure us that things won’t be that bad and that they want to work with us. I think it’s a very nice gesture and I hope for the opportunity to help where I can and point out when I think they’re in error (in a civilized way). I really appreciate gestures like this and hope it will make a difference in fixing some of the bile that’s accumulated over the last two decades.
And the left never forgave him for their darling, Alger Hiss.
Sorry, I aimed that comment at the person who started this vanity...
Taking the profits from a business, giving even more money to those who don't work for it, opening the doors to illegal immigration and granting citizenship, and destroying free speech by claiming every statement is racist is going to be the legacy of this president. I hope you are happy - your children will suffer for this decision.
Bit early to draw that conclusion, I think. Give it a couple of decades. (Someone recently quoted Zhou En Lai on the French revolution - wise words.)This is a pretty reasonable countpoint, but I would like to point out something. If you set a sufficiently distant horizon, then pretty much anything can work out. To give an absurdly exaggerated example, I could claim that American slavery was ultimately OK because look how great America is now — and we don't know how things might be different if we hadn't had it.
In addition to not knowing what the future holds, there's also the 'counterfactual history' problem - we know what happened because Bush decided to move, but we have no idea what would have happened had he not moved.
I could go on at great length about this, talking about how US troops in Saudi inflamed Osama, about how Saddam had an appetite for weapons, etc, etc but again, that's looking back, not too useful an exercise.Thanks for putting it that way, because I think that's really what I'm trying to get at. There's a lot of water under the bridge, and we have to take things as they are now. Unfortunately, that includes some political realities that we need to face if we're going to recover from this setback.
You don’t know how to work Google?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article630882.ece
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1857368,00.html
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/08/rahm_emanuel/
That is a straw man argument. You made the claim that there were no terrorists in Iraq before we invaded. That was shot down so you said the terrorists were only in areas that Saddam couldn't control. I shot that down. You reply to that by bringing up a different subject altogether; whether Saddam was making WMDs. No sale. Your point failed.
Here is another one in Bagdad, pre-invasion, totally separate from my other cite.
I am not feeling conciliatory and I refuse to be hypnotized by him and pray to him as my messiah like this guy who just called Sean Hannity.
John McCain's fear of saying anything bad about a fellow democrat, people who, just like in 2006, seem to think it is preferable to destroy the GOP rather than fight to build it up refused to show up to vote for the GOP (even with Sarah on the ticket) and ACORNs fraud cost us this election.
Well, I told people in 2006 they were making a huge mistake allowing democrats to win house and congress and now I am saying those who stayed home are going to get a very rude awakening from this new president.
This is an "argument" that socialists often resort to.
Since the past is replete with examples of their failures, they like to pretend that no lessons can be learned from history, which they seem to believe started the day that they were born.
If you're not too much of an idiot, you'll eventually discover how much of an idiot you actually were.
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