Posted on 10/02/2008 7:37:12 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet
Well....it's over. How do you think Sara did?
I could not believe when Biden brought up his own record with the piece of junk "Crime Bill" of his. You all remember the one with the invisible 100,000 police officers.
Here's my take on Palin's "connection" to regular old "Joe Six-Pack" America: We get it. Everyone is well-aware of her roots, and IMO, where she came from, and who she is, is an immense credit to her qualifications. Career politicians are the bane of meaningful accomplishments in this country.
BUT -- you flash that style, and throw out those lines ONCE -- as she did at the convention. Now it's time to show she's more than those catch-phrases and cliches and cute eye-winks and tilts of the head and clucks of the tongue. Show us you have a strong grasp of the issues, understanding of the considerable challenges we face, and are well-versed on the particulars of your presidential candidate's plans to fix it.
And it wouldn't hurt to be up-to-snuff on the backstories behind all of these issues in order to point out to the voters, succinctly, articulately, clearly, how we have gotten into this mess, and WHY you present a better alternative.
Focus less on zingers and more on substance. At least, that's my advice -- but judging from the responses on this thread, her style is suitably satisfying, even if her substance is lacking.
I agree. They have a good ad on the subject, but they've got to really get on the ball with this one. It's THE issue.
I listened to the debates - no TV. In the majority of questions, Biden was quick and pointed. In many cases, bullet pointed in his response. Each answer included a rebuttal and often emphasized McCain or Bush weaknesses several times. I am not questioning his facts - only that he did the technical job well and with speed and clarity. Sarah, OTOH, stammered, missed the questions with her answers and several times repeated her talking points in questions unrelated to her response. How she was emotionally doesn’t concern me since that will be as individual a perception as the voter.
He also preened over his unconstitutional and fascist VAWA legislation. McCain was absolutely right to vote against that abomination.
Ironically for Biden, I think the brain dead undecideds when more for Sarah's style than they did for Biden's well presented, lies.
So you're saying not only did Biden lose this debate, not only was it close, not only was it slightly in Palin's favor --- but you're saying she "won this clearly"? As in, it wasn't even close?
In assessing debaters' relative merits, how much weight is paid to dealing with specific "facts" to support a position versus vague answers consisting mostly of colorful prose and cliches?
I’m with you. In this election, emotions are the lingua franca and our side, no matter how cute and cuddly, won’t be able to jinn-up the kind of emotional tidal wave that the RATs have with their mutant hordes. We need kick-@ss and take names later leadership. McCain, for all his vaunted temper issues is more like Bob Dole and Sarah, while a truly great hope, is still performing at the national level like Mary Ann on Gilligan’s Island.
The gloves need to come off and these people need to get down to real business.
The one improvement that Sarah could make, would be to come on Free Republic every night. Then she would know how to answer these questions!
I guess I watched a different debate than you did. He won some points because she didn't respond to some of his lies (Fannie Mae), but she scored her enough of her own.
Well there are always people like you who can’t see the obvious. You’re what the rest of us call “clueless”.
Yes, of course. You must be right. I’m humbled and chastened.
That is exactly the point that I fell on, during this debate! I was thinking that Biden is a professional arguer....he knows how to frame an argument. And so is Obama. But McCain and Palin, they haven’t had that training. They are leaders. They are fighters. I think I would rather have a leader and fighter in the White House than a person who can frame an argument.
But here's what she has going for her, and I think she could be very effective and attract a much broader following of supporters (beyond the people who will support and fawn over her regardless of how she performs):
She talks straight, and from what I can tell, what you see is what you get with her -- she's not putting on airs, and I believe she's sincere, and for once in our lives, a political candidate who isn't beholden to special interests, multinational corporations, etc. So she has the strength of character and ability to speak directly without parsing words or deception, to her viewers. What she NEEDS to do now, is bone up on her facts! Roll up her sleeves and immerse herself in the issues, the causes, the solutions --- so that instead of hearing "We all need to pull together and say "Never again"" (Are you freaking KIDDING me?! Is this a Brady Bunch episode?) -- Instead of that, she can speak intelligently, eloquently, and in plainspeak to viewers saying, "You know what, there's a shovelfull of blame to go around to a lot of people on this one -- homebuyers were greedy, lenders were greedy, institutions were greedy, and the fed was pushing loans to people who couldn't afford them out of a misplaced sense of political correctness! And here are the figures -- xx% of the loss is attributable to this, etc., etc."
Well said.
I think many people who were formerly "Reagan Democrats" don't respond well to a cut-throat style of debate. We political junkies want our candidates to go for the jugular but that doesn't win them the election. It seems to me that Sarah Palin may have brought many over to the McCain-Palin ticket by being just the way she was.
Also, had she gone on the attack, it may have gotten too complicated. Then she would've appeared negative and as much a sourpuss as Biden. He looked at "We, The People" only when he was angrily fired up or in lecture mode which included finger pointing, whereas she spoke directly to us via the camera. People respond positively to positive body language and countenance and vice versa.
One more thing. Over the years, I've observed that older people in particular misunderstand partisanship and mistake it for being hypercritical, argumentative and mean. They don't like that and will vote for the individuals who don't make them feel bad.
"Gwen, no one in the United States Senate has been a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden."
Joe we do not care about your support for Israel, It Obama's we are concerned with.
I watched this with 2 Jewish Conservative Friends I tapped them as it was going on and they couldn't believe no mention of Obama and Sarah's unwaiving support for Israel, and against evil. Did you her use those words? As well as Blessings?
My friends and I are wonderfully stunned, we have another Reagan in the making.
Who fared better in the vice presidential debate?
Sen. Joe Biden 71% 114408
Gov. Sarah Palin 26% 42334
Neither 3% 5519
Total Votes: 162261
What else would we expect ?
Yes, yes, yes! Agreed 100% and don’t forget to add some sound @ss-kicking that would expose these maggots for what they are. McCain’s probably calling the shots here and keeping her muzzled. Exposing the RATs for what they are would add immensely to the struggle for voter education. Unfortunately, McLame is as bad as the MSM.
What the heck is wrong with the idea of telling our country that the barbarians are at the gate and even now in your homes, banks and schools?
That’s it - I’m hitting the sack. Keep up the good work educating the Saroids here!
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