Jews and Their DNA

Commentary Magazine ^ | Sept, 2008 | Hillel Halkin

[Pharmboy]

Good summary of where this subject is evolving. What this teaches has ramifications to all humans and not just Jews...

[Pharmboy]

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[Marie]

In the absence of rabbis to perform conversions, they married local women who, while consenting to live as Jews, were not halakhically Jewish.

That is an unproven assumption which can never be validated with DNA evidence alone. Show me the historical doccuments.

[neverdem]

Historical genetics itself was still a pioneering field, launched by the discovery that two sources of DNA in the human body, the Y chromosome that determines male sex and the mitochondria that aid cell metabolism, never change (barring rare mutations) in their transmission from fathers to sons and from mothers to children of both sexes.

Am I alone, or is that confusing? IMHO, he should have written:

All sons inherit their father's Y chromosome. All children inherit their mother's mitochondrial DNA.

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[SJackson]

That is an unproven assumption which can never be validated with DNA evidence alone. Show me the historical doccuments.

I doubt there are any. The general concern has been assimilation and loss of Jewish identity, not the creation of not halakhically Jewish Jewish communities.

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[Zionist Conspirator]

Alouette, you shiksa! (Just kidding!)

[Pharmboy]

The evidence is in the genes...and these Jews would likely NOT have had rabbis with them to convert the women.

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[afraidfortherepublic]

It took 8 years to figure that out? I would have guessed that before reading the article. Isn't it the same for other populations, as well? (Except for the part about putting up later barriers against marriage outside the clan.)

[afraidfortherepublic]

some] Jewish men . . . travel[ed] long distances to establish small Jewish communities [by themselves]. They would settle in new lands and, if unmarried, take local women for wives. The communities might [at a later date] have been augmented by additional male travelers from Jewish source populations

It took 8 years to figure that out? I would have guessed that before reading the article. Isn't it the same for other populations, as well? (Except for the part about putting up later barriers against marriage outside the clan.) (Sorry -- my quote disappeared when posting the earlier remark.)

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

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[martin_fierro]

"Wandering Jews—and Their Genes"

I should've posted this instead.

[MeanWestTexan]

This assumes a lot, in particular the “profession” (like every other profession) of rabbi was a lot less formalized back then than now.

A Beit Din, technically needs, what, three adult jewish males? Sure, there is almost always (now) one man who is, by profession a rabbi and it is very formalized, but in the pre-middle ages? Who knows?

Body of water for the mikva/tevilah, a kabbalat ol mitzvot (agreement to do the commandments), taking the name (probably Ruth or Sarah). . . . no mila for the females -— so I don’t see how this would be a problem.

[SunkenCiv]

Alas, here's what I'm seeing:

Unauthorized access: Embedding an image from someone else's website is Bandwidth Theft! Please don't do this.

Looks like a good graphic to upload to tinypic though... ;')

[martin_fierro]

Embedding an image from someone else's website is Bandwidth Theft!

RMFE. Friggin' Drama Queen.

[SunkenCiv]

:’) That’s what the first graphic said (to me). Not in an audible voice of course.