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To: GovernmentShrinker
Put simply, the second law of thermodynamics is demonstrably false as a universal law asserted to have applied through all time and space. If it had always been in effect everywhere, there would be nothing but entropy. Evolutionary theory all falls under the second law of thermodynamics, but alas, requires a starting point which falsifies the second law of thermodynamics. Therefore, evolution as an all-encompassing theory to explain life on earth is hopelessly flawed. There is nothing in the actual second law that prohibits evolution. That is simply a claim of creationists. Things go from simple to complex all of the time locally in time and space. Build a car and you would violate the creationist second law. Hurricanes violate their second law. Waves on the ocean violate their second law. The second law of thermodynamics of physics isn't violated by any of these.
11 posted on 08/05/2008 4:38:10 PM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton

Start with nothing. Really NOTHING. No time, no space, no energy, no matter, and no order. You have complete entropy. Either the law has exceptions — BIG exceptions — or there would still be no time, no space, no energy, no matter, and no order. The sort of local negative entropy changes you’re talking about require that there be order somewhere else that can move toward disorder, so that the net change is always in the direction of more entropy. In the beginning, there was no order, so the only possible change had to be in the direction of LESS entropy.


17 posted on 08/05/2008 6:26:52 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Soliton

“Build a car and you would violate the creationist second law”

not really a good argument since a car requires a builder.

“Things go from simple to complex all of the time locally in time and space”

where is the evidence that an organism mutation has occurred by gaining info, rather than losing info?


41 posted on 08/07/2008 11:50:20 PM PDT by beefree (AMERICA BLESS GOD)
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