[mrjesse]

Let me boil it down to something you can either agree with or disagree with, and I already know you’ll disagree with it.

You live in a prehistoric society, or even on your own with no concept of God. Do you have a concept of right and wrong or not? There are no laws. There is no law-giver.

Do you have a conscience or is that merely an artifact of fear of a law-giver?

I think you do. I’m quite sure you don’t.

Something about your grammar or sentence structure confused me a bit. a lot. I'm not too sure what you're trying to ask. Could you please ask again, a bit more clearly? I want to answer, and I'm not trying to run from anything here - I just can't deambiguify the question!

Thanks!

-Jesse

[Dog Gone]

I did ask my question badly.

I was asking whether someone with no concept of God could have a conscience. A sense of right and wrong.

I think they can. I don’t think you believe they can unless it is because of some random illogical thinking on their part.

I’m not sure how we can test the answer to this question. It may just have to be something we debate.

[AndrewC]

I think he means to define you out of the “equation”. First of all he sets up a complete hypothetical. Someone(You) who does not believe in God(no concept means no belief the converse is not true) is asserted to exist. He then asks whether you will have a concept of right and wrong, adjusting the scenario to explicity exclude laws whatever they may be to someone that has no concept of God and may or may not have a concept of something called “right” and “wrong”. He then asserts that you will have a concept of right and wrong even though he states(at least that is what I infer from that last “sure you don’t”) that you will deny such concepts. Problem is, “right” and “wrong” remain undefined in his scenario. I would suggest that under his scenario, that the set of wrong things is the set of things that kill you.