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To: LukeL
So it is morally right to deny an impotent man the right to marriage

A permanently impotent man has no right to the sacrament of marriage.

To pretend that he did would be immoral, because that would be lying about the essence of marriage - which is a holy thing that should be discussed truthfully and not misrepresented.

but not right for that same impotent man (impotent during his marriage) to please his wife in other ways?

Natural, unimpeded intercourse is the only moral way to satisfy the sexual appetite. Anything else is a peverse abuse of God's gift of sexuality.

The sin of the sodomites was not non traditional sex, it was sex outside of marraige and degrading sexual acts.

The sin of the Sodomites was unnatural intercourse - or as the politically correct leftist would put it: "nontraditional sex."

This is precisely what Leviticus condemns in the behavior of the Sodomites and what Genesis condemns in Onan.

Unnatural intercourse, by its very essence, is degrading.

In the bonds of marraige any act done out of love and with respect to each spouse is not sinful.

An act of unnatural intercourse, by its very essence, is an act of hatred and disrespect toward God, toward one's own body - which is supposed to be a temple of the Holy Spirit - and an act of hatred and defilement toward any other person involved.

I believe your point about Viagra is that most people are driven by sex in their marriage and see it as a very important aspect to their marriage.

My point was that you claimed that there are millions of impotent men who are delighted to be impotent and whose marriages are wonderful despite their impotence.

The fact is that normal men do not enjoy being impotent and that normal women do not enjoy being married to impotent men - they may love their impotent spouses, but they are not happy that they are impotent.

129 posted on 06/11/2008 12:09:22 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
So people only get married so they can have sex and it be approved by God? Then can an impotent man live with any woman he chooses? Also can the wife of an impotent man demand a divorce?

The sin of Onan was not the act itself it was not fulfilling his duty to his brothers widow. You can look to the teaches of Jesus and adultery of the heart if you want to condemn that particular act.

Never did I say men are happy to be impotent I merely said they can understand marraige means more than just sex. I would hope my future wife would still be happy and love me if I became injured and could no longer perform physically. But I guess people are just selfish and only after pleasures of the flesh.

130 posted on 06/11/2008 12:21:37 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: wideawake
Natural, unimpeded intercourse is the only moral way to satisfy the sexual appetite. Anything else is a peverse abuse of God's gift of

Utter bs.....

I suppose God demands the man be on top and the lights be out, too.

L

137 posted on 06/11/2008 12:41:06 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: wideawake
The fact is that normal men do not enjoy being impotent and that normal women do not enjoy being married to impotent men - they may love their impotent spouses, but they are not happy that they are impotent.

They may WISH the person wasn't just as they wish they could have a walk along the beach or in the woods. Don't talk about where you have not walked. I am not jumping for joy about what happened to my wife and wish it never happened but it did and that's life. We still have a great life together.

Again I point you to Joni Tada as a great example of what I am talking about. I don't need a Bishop to tell me if I have a happy marriage or not. I know I do. We have our ups and downs like all married persons do but the love and dedication is there. We are closer than most couples BECAUSE of what we have faced together. Because of what we faced together our faith is also stronger. I don't want another woman. I could have likely had several other to choose from before I married my current wife. She was the one I was led to thgrough prayer, through members of my church, and through The Holy Spirit.

Christ commanded we love one another not bed down one another. Argh the ignorance and prejudices shown on this matter is astounding.

146 posted on 06/11/2008 2:37:19 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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