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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
No, there is a big difference between life and the physical world, although living beings do have a connection with the physical world. I guess if you can’t understand that, that explains why you underestimate Ben’s question.

If I am understanding you as you seek to be understood, you are claiming that I am wrong in saying that living things are part of the furniture of the physical world, and you are further claiming to know that there is a big difference between life and the physical world. How do you know that? What is the source of that 'knowledge'? Is it scientific knowledge? Apparently not. Does it come from some sort of 'higher intution'? If so, where is the supporting evidence for it? And if you have no supporting evidence for it, why should we believe it?

212 posted on 04/21/2008 1:34:05 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

>>If I am understanding you as you seek to be understood, you are claiming that I am wrong in saying that living things are part of the furniture of the physical world, and you are further claiming to know that there is a big difference between life and the physical world. How do you know that? What is the source of that ‘knowledge’? Is it scientific knowledge? Apparently not.<<

I say that my belief is no more “unscientific” than your belief that science will eventually understand life and death. My “supporting evidence” is simply that humans have always tried to answer the question of what life is, and the only progress they have made is to acquire the skills needed to tinker with the physical sciences.

If I understand what your belief is, you see no difference between living and nonliving things, you and I are merely physical objects in your religion of materialism. If that is the case, I think we may have reached a “parting of the minds,” rather than a meeting, here.

But then if living things are “furniture” then, for example, a murderer is guilty of no worse than property damage.

Dostoevski said, “Without God, everything is permitted”. And that would include the most despicable forms of abortion, cannibalism, everything. But even an atheist with a conscience could recognize that living beings are different from bricks in a fundamental way.


213 posted on 04/21/2008 2:19:52 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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