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To: njweave
tell me why illegal immigration is such a problem to conservatives. I agree that some turn to a life of crime and need to be brought back to their country. But what about the ones who work two jobs? support a wife and kids? attend mass?

I want to cut to the chase on this, so I'll reply with some questions...we have a system of borders in place to control who comes in, who stays, and how long they can be here.

1) Do you see the need for such a system? (I'll assume yes for the next questions)

2) Do we have the right to impose such a system?

3) If you support more immigration than currently allowed, how much more, and from where? Does where matter?

4) How much pent up demand is there for immigration? IE, if we had no rules, how many people would come?

5) What basis/framework do we use for deciding questions like this?

6) What requirements, if any, should be placed upon these immigrants?

7) What is the danger, if any, in selective enforcement of laws?

Isn’t a kind of cool part of being in America is that people flock here from all over the world for a better life?

Undisputably. I think we're the coolest place on the planet to live. Another question for you...why is America such a cool place to live? What is it about America that makes it so, and what is it about Americans that makes America the way it is?

and my biggest question is if economically Canada and Mexico switched roles...do you think this would be such a big of deal?

If you're asking if conservatives have a problem with brown people, the answer is no. There may be some who call themselves conservatives who don't want "furriners" here for reasons of racial purity, but that's not a conservative viewpoint. Jeb Bush, for example, is married to an Hispanic.

But let's be clear...for Canada and Mexico to trade places, Canada would have to become a Third-world country with no tradition of rule of law, or democracy...and speak a different language than us.

BTW...I believe there's an ironclad relationship between rule of law, and prosperity...and freedom. Would you agree?

If you answer those questions, I think we can cut to the chase...and by answering those questions, you will have hopefully provided some context for my answers. You will also understand that I think you have to look at this issue (and any issue) in a very detailed way...which is a trait, IMO, of a conservative.

168 posted on 04/08/2008 1:04:00 PM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: gogeo

You may not have noticed that “Nick” isn’t answering questions, just asking them and showing no indication he understands our answers. He’s talking around us, and that’s why I’ve come to the conclusion he’s a troll. I’ve had these discussions before, and I see the handwriting on the wall.


173 posted on 04/08/2008 1:21:04 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who can't take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: gogeo

Yes I do agree that Canada and Mexico are defintely not the same thing at all. Just a lot of things I read and see always seem to have some racial undertone. Putting up a giant wall on our southern boarder seems a little extreme to me. It could end up being a Berlin Wall look a like. But couldn’t that money used on the be put towards other domestic problems? Like toward our schools maybe?


177 posted on 04/08/2008 1:23:32 PM PDT by njweave
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