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To: AndrewC

You mean the Q&A session where this appeared?

“James Shapiro
Phil, I think the key problem is to get genuinely new inventions in evolution. This clearly happens. Otherwise we are back with the homunculus and preformationism.”


863 posted on 04/08/2008 9:59:29 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
“James Shapiro Phil, I think the key problem is to get genuinely new inventions in evolution. This clearly happens. Otherwise we are back with the homunculus and preformationism.”

Yes, so what? That is addressing his denial of "strictness" or "pre-determined" This is the question he was answering.

phil
For Prof. Shapiro Spetner has suggested that much of what passes for evolution is response to stress by expression of information already present in the genome. Is he positing something similar to what you presented?

You have a habit of leaving important context out, as in your post 859. Here is the full quote.

MEYER: Well, you have to know a little bit more about the science. The mutational processes that I was just talking about are running downhill informationally. Eventually if you keep mutating the systems, that temporary advantage is going to be swamped the destruction of proteins in protein machines that are involved in information processing. So you can’t extrapolate from a system that is running downhill informationally to explain the origin of large amounts of new functional information. That requires something new. I had an article recently in a London newspaper, and a professor wrote in who works on computational simulations of evolutionary theory. He says, “I don’t see why they both can’t be true.” He says, “What I see is the programmer puts the original information in the system and then evolution takes over from there.” James Shapiro, the University of Chicago, is working on pre-programmed adaptive capacity. And my friend, Paul Nelson, went and talked to him; they were on a panel – Shapiro said, “You know, I can’t make heads or tails of what you guys are talking about with intelligent design.” And Nelson went to talk to Shapiro and he said, “Look, you’re really into this idea of pre-programmed adaptive capacity as a kind of alternative to strict Darwinism. We think that’s a neat phenomenon. Let me ask you a question, Jim. Where does the programming come from in the first place?” And Shapiro apparently said to Nelson, “You know, I rarely think about that.” And Nelson said, “But that’s what we think about and I think the two can go together. There are real evolutionary phenomenon that can be studied, but the origination of the programming is something that I think requires design.” [applause]

865 posted on 04/08/2008 10:12:21 AM PDT by AndrewC
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