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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
"No, one of the characteristics of a self-adjusting system is that engineering decisions can be made without an engineer or a decider."

Your statement is self contradictory.

A self-adjusting system must decide when and how to self-adjust.

Engineering is a process of decisions.

A system without any means of deciding cannot self adjust, let alone self-engineer.
685 posted on 04/06/2008 11:43:46 AM PDT by Fichori (Truth is non-negotiable.)
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To: Fichori

[[A system without any means of deciding cannot self adjust, let alone self-engineer.]

This is a good point- and to be added- ‘self-organize’ without a set of instructions and without ever increasing NEW ifnromation- suppsoedly species all aquired ever increasing amounts of advanced NEW complex informations (From where they got this information, noone has been able to explain) and self-organized them into ever icnreasingly complex systems and subsystems, all meshing perfectly enough to advance the species to a next more complex self-organizing stage with NEW NON-Species specific information (Which biologically, can noyl come through lateral gene transference- soemthign that can not be demonstrated between dissimilar KINDS either in the lab or in nature without hte help of intellignet designers manipulating information already present in both species.


688 posted on 04/06/2008 12:08:09 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: Fichori
A system without any means of deciding cannot self adjust, let alone self-engineer.

Consider a stream. Water does an excellent job of finding an efficient path downhill, dealing with obstacles and changes to the surrounding landscape as it goes. And yet there is no engineer making the decisions--heck, a stream's not even alive! Think about how much more a living system can do. Look at how different areas of the brain can take over the functions of areas damaged by a stroke or injury. And yet there's no engineer in there making decisions about where to reroute the signals--the system makes those decisions itself.

691 posted on 04/06/2008 12:38:42 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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