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To: tokenatheist
"But evolution is supported by quite a bit of physical evidence."

Then why has none of it ever been produced for inspection? Even one clear intermediate species would do wonders.

177 posted on 03/30/2008 6:03:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor

what do you mean by clear intermediate species?

I ask because a Google search for “intermediate species” appears to return thousands upon of thousands of positive responses.


179 posted on 03/30/2008 6:12:01 PM PDT by tokenatheist
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To: editor-surveyor
"But evolution is supported by quite a bit of physical evidence."

Then why has none of it ever been produced for inspection? Even one clear intermediate species would do wonders.

Here are two examples from the literature. They are clear enough that even creationists should be able to see and understand them. You'll deny it, of course, but you asked for the evidence so here it is.



This is a transitional (or intermediate). Note its position in the chart which follows (hint--in the right center):

Fossil: KNM-ER 3733

Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)

Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)

Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)

Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)

Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33

Source



And if the above is too much of a problem for you, dealing with old bones and all, here is one that consists of still living populations. You can go and check it out for yourself!

Ring species provide unusual and valuable situations in which we can observe two species and the intermediate forms connecting them. In a ring species:

A ring species, therefore, is a ring of populations in which there is only one place where two distinct species meet. Ernst Mayr called ring species "the perfect demonstration of speciation" because they show a range of intermediate forms between two species. They allow us to use variation in space to infer how changes occurred over time. This approach is especially powerful when we can reconstruct the biogeographical history of a ring species, as has been done in two cases. Source

But, I fully expect you to hand-wave all of this evidence away. Go ahead!

The lurkers can see who is posting peer-reviewed scientific evidence and who is simply denying clear and obvious reality for religious reasons.

190 posted on 03/30/2008 7:19:30 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Would you care to define “intermediate species”, please?

While any species that functions as a transition between two species is an “intermediate” species, they are, at the same time, a species unto themselves, and so not truly an “intermediate” species.

As I am certain you understand, but repeat here for the sake of clarity, evolution functions as a series of minor, beneficial changes over the course of generations (and, as a result, thousands of years), that eventually results in a plant or an animal sufficiently diverged from its ancestors that it can no longer be thought of as the same species (at least, in common thought; scientifically, the point where it’s considered a separate species is if they can no longer reproduce with one another).

So, well, what makes a “transitional species” in your eyes, then? If it’s evolved naturally, it’s a species unto itself, and not a “transition”; if it’s some horrifying chimera clearly intended to serve as some way to turn one species into another, it’s a transition, but it obviously hasn’t evolved (there being no reproductive or survival benefit to such a monster).

Obviously, one of my assumptions of your question was incorrect, so I outlined them above, that we may avoid misunderstandings.


193 posted on 03/30/2008 7:28:17 PM PDT by Ohwhynot
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