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You will find the Cindy’s list and my google starting search at the bottom of the post.

You will find many garden articles on the page and on the one before it, as I recall.

Yes, you can order next years seeds now, many areas are starting seeds indoors in Dec and Jan.

My first choice is the google, Sandhill Preservation, his seeds grew for me in Arizona and the Tomato varieties are honestly described.

LOL, he said, will not do well if you have a lot of sun/heat as this plant grows few leaves and lots of tomatoes and he was right, they did and the tomatoes burned on the plants, in the sun.

His nursery link is at the top of the google search page.

I also bought heritage seeds at Nichols garden nursery in Oregon, they have both and I have ordered from them 30 or more years.

Evergreen Oriental seeds in California, for oriental greens, which grow well in flower pots, and even in this dead soil zone, be careful as he and Nichols also have the hybrids.

Each year the dollar store sells seeds at almost nothing prices, maybe a quarter a packet, they are the good old varieties and grow very well for me, even here.

I have not had good luck with the big name seed companies and cannot afford to pay $5.00 a packet for seeds, that are the same as others are selling at $2.00.

I have too much open to change to a seed search, or I will crash on this dial up connection.

One other source that I like is the Pinetree seeds in the east, they offer a mixed variety packet of most families of plants and I have had good luck with their seeds.

Over the years I have ordered from many mailorder places and settled on the above.......Gurney seeds are ok, but never buy their bareroot seedlings. I got had on them.

Consider planting fruiting mulberry trees, they taste as good as vine berries are easy to grow and good for you.

Plant the trees away from the house, they are messy and plant more than you need, as the birds love to eat them.