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Good morning, everybody...

Looks like the thread has gotten off to a good flying start — it’s taken a while to get caught up, and there’s a lot of good information in here already.....

Thanks, everybody!!

1- I’m especially interested in hearing about everybody’s planning process — what assumptions are we basing our planning on??

2- Are we looking for drastic and permanent changes in our country, or for temporary conditions that will sooner-or-later return to ‘normal’? And how do we prepare for either eventuality?

3- Are DHS guidelines realistic and helpful?? Do they really address the eventualities that we’re likely to be facing??

4- Did our experience of New Orleans/Katrina have an impact on our thinking, and, if so, how??

5- I guess what I’m asking for is some discussion that goes beyond “what” and gets to the “why” and “how”....

6- (Or maybe I’m all wet... ;~))

I feel lazy today, so have taken your post #447 and added the numbers, so I won’t get lost, with my answers.

#6 - I looked, the sun is shining and there are no clouds, so you must be dry..........Smile, I am joking.

No, you were not all wet, your questions are good and should be discussed. If we do not know the Why of it, how will we know what we are doing?

1- The simple answer for me is, hard depression, terror, efforts to over take our country, communism, anarchists and Venezuela and his other communist cronies.

If one has read about the heyday of 1929, they know that when the people start forgetting the value of a dollar and go into credit and get rich schemes, pushing prices up and then they will come down with a crash.

The news media are not telling us the truth, to do so would mean exposing the clintons and the democrats in Congress and elsewhere.

When I started on the internet, about 1998, all I found were get rich schemes, click here and make money.

The stock reports were full of companies, whose stock was going up, at rocket speed, but they had never earned a dime.

Let me be clear, I do not claim to know it all and do not have enough education to talk about stocks, etc. I have lived a long time, can remember the depression and dust bowl, forcing us out of Texas and into the life of a fruit tramp in California.

I was a Real Estate Broker in the state of Arizona, but we do not have fancy investments or condos, etc in my area, so there is much that I only knew enough about to pass the test.

If you had wanted raw land or acreage, I was the agent you wanted to work with.

Over the years, I listened to the old timers talk about the depression of 29.

The first thing that they always said was “there was no money”, finally I found someone who could tell me what that meant, as it sounded to me like “no jobs, no paycheck”.

Not at all, “no money”, meant that the gov pulled it in and there was none to be had.

Ira told me how in the logging town in Oklahoma, there was no money to be had, only one grocery store was still open.

Towards the end, the lumber mill got a small contract, but had no money to pay the men. So, he made a deal with the grocery store to accept his self printed script, that he paid the men, as money, until he could get real money....

And Ira got one of the jobs and for him, he was ending the depression.

Are we seeing the same thing today?

I think we are, a year ago, they were begging us to refinance our homes, today, they are closing the mortgage companies.

The money is drying up, try to get your hands on it, a loan or a new credit card.

We are being taken over, by loans and purchases of our properties and businesses by the Mid-East and China.

Our jobs are sent out of country, our food comes from out of country, even our military supplies are imported.

Our borders are wide open.

Where will people live? At least when I was a kid, we were prepared to live in a tent or the plywood box that my dad put on an old car frame.

How many men of today, even have the knowhow to make a simple plywood shelter on wheels.........not the younger ones.

They say Bush caused the depression, yes he did, he beat Gore and took office in 2001 and all of a sudden it was news in the paper that we had a depression coming and nary a word about the fact that it hit in 2000.

My brother and sister lost their investments in stock in 2000.

So we have a depression to prepare for. That calls for most of the things on this list yesterday.

Next is the terror, it is here and has been going on since long before 9-11.

[dig in this and the other 10 threads, there is little chating and lots of history and news on terror:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1940757/posts?q=1&;page=4051

Clinton kept it out of the news.

Several cases, all of a sudden have come to trial this year, that we were told “This is not a terror incident”.... 5 or 6 years later it is the same name and it is terror, as many of us thought in the beginning.

Maybe the best example, the electric blackout in New York, Canada and other areas. “unknown cause”, turned out to be a computer intrusion, at the main computer in Ohio. [from memory, so you may find a mistake or two].

For the people in New York, “it had hit”.

I saw photos of fancy suits, sleeping on the sidewalk and real babes, in suits, using their briefcases for pillows. All out in the open, on sidewalks.

Why?

NO Electric.

No electric, meant no elevator to the 30th floor, no way to open the door to the apartment house and in the fancy places with the fancy locks that use a coded card for a key, there was no way to open the door to their apartment, if they were in the hallway, and for most, no food or spoiled food and no water or air conditioning............the most primitive conditions.

No ATM’s, credit card readers, and I can’t even guess at all the things that did not work.

There is a real threat of 9-11 type terror, nuclear bombs, etc.

There are several people in this world who have waited and planned for years, for the destruction of America.

The communists never went away, the media simply quit using the word, and they became socialists.

The media does not tell you that there are more communist attacks in the world, than al-qaeda attacks on any given day.

Nor do they identify the communist groups, when they attack as communists.

Mexico has many communists in it and that is what you see marching down the street, wanting to reclaim America for Mexico.

Go take a look at the protests in America, note that the anarchists who hate us, march with the illegals and in the anti-war protests, with the muslims and all have the raised marxist fist, their signal around the world.

Venezuela and his associated communist countries,including Iran and Cuba are ready and raring to go, threats every day.

Throw in Russia and its daily threats, add China and N. Korea and you have a slew of communists willing an attack on us.

This muslim war, is another viet nam type action, tearing our country down, costing us 4,000 Americans and lots of money.

You are missing 20 million Americans, they were killed before birth, by groups that have muslim and communist roots.

That is 20 million they do not have to fight.

America is already close to 50% communist, half of America voted for Gore.

Our youth was brainwashed in school or introduced to dope and are brain dead.

2- It will be drastic, as when a war is fought on the American soil, we will be fighting our own relatives.

We are too split, to ever go back to the 1940’s.

It will be a long one, as we will not see our enemy, they are sneaking around and causing trouble.

And more will come over the borders.

We are not as well prepared today as we were in 1940.

If China says “nothing to America” in days, we will have nothing on the shelf.

In 1940, people were tough and knew how to survive, grow food, hunt and make what they needed.

Not so today.

3- DHS does not even understand what is going on in the world of terror.

Nor do they understand what will be needed.

I rarely find anything to post from their site/releases, as it says only “something might happen”.

They were to help our police forces “get ready”, I have listened to the San Diego police scanner for 5 or 6 months, many hours a day........their radios do not work, the computers in their cars do not work, and I mean day after day, hour after hour.

You would be amazed at how many police cars break down, on patrol, the other night one quit in the middle of a high speed chase..........

I do listen to other scanners, but not as much, and to kdwn.com radio in Las Vegas, it appears their equipment is about the same as San Diego, recently there was something about the New York Fire Department still not being able to talk to police on their radios.........to me that is a criminal act by the gov and local leaders.

4- New Orleans is a perfect example of what is going to happen in an emergency, but all over the country.

Dr. Bill Wattenberg was one of the DHS scientists for New Orleans disaster. [kgo.com radio, he has a site there], he told us many things on his programs, the reason the stadium was full, is that is where the dope dealers went.

The people in the stadium were only a 5 mile walk out, with one ankle deep creek to wade across and help waited on the other side.

On the talk shows, I listened to the N.O. people call in, some wanted even more, than they had been given, but there were also callers who said, “hey, I am here, I and all my kids are enrolled in school, they have given us a chance and we are going to take it and never go back”.

So, with all the goofs, I cannot say I learned a lot at New Orleans, except how to work the gov and that the gov has not a clue on how to solve a real problem.

5- Maybe I am not much help, I have stated my opinion.

I expect to be hit by disease/bioweapons, before nuclear and more of the attacks or faked attacks that wear down the law enforcement, until they get careless and then the big one will hit.

Cuba has labs that experiment in bio weapons, as does Iran and Russia and N. Korea.

It can hit at any minute from a dozen directions.

We are seeing the depression, Freepers cannot find work and are in danger of doing without.

All of us are tightening our money spending, food is getting too expensive and the list goes on.

No, I do not expect anyone to agree with me, it is as I see it, from my own mind and from the many articles that I normally read in a day, on war and terrorism.

Zawhiri put out a new tape 2 days ago, it called for muslims to strike Americans and Jews, where ever they found them.

There are always a few mentally ill people who want to be known in history for doing something and killing a few folks will get them on the front page.

My opinions and no one else’s above this point in this post.

But most important, I had fun yesterday, all of you made it possible............tired today, but still glowing from all the smiles and friendship we shared.

To all of you “THANK YOU’!!!