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To: misterrob
Yawn...

Stuffed twice on fourth down, phoney timing of timeout call when play was complete, second stuff on fourth down and supposed illegal motion on NEW ENGLAND allowed them a THIRD try that they finally converted, let alone the clear juggled touchdown catch improperly called and sustained, which led to the "flag into the seats" statement.

Pat's fans will still be whining when their "so-called unbeatable" team gets their asses handed to them Sunday, when a team with solid defense (as opposed to the Eagles and Ravens sub-500 teams that they struggled past with assistance in striped shirts).

Shula's Dolphin record is safe again this year.

22 posted on 12/07/2007 1:45:18 PM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: traditional1

I wish I shared your confidence :)


23 posted on 12/07/2007 1:49:21 PM PST by Steelerfan
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To: traditional1
phoney timing of timeout call when play was complete,

Perhaps if you watched it a bit more closely you'd see the Ravens sideline frantically trying to call timeout several seconds before the play, and the official on their sideline running in signalling just before the play. The timeout was clearly signalled before the play - though it did appear that many of the players didn't hear it until the refs on the near side of the field began blowing their whistles too.

As for the "after the play was completed"...the play never was completed. If you'll note, Brady was never tackled, and Brady was pushed back only after everyone relaxed.

There's a shot from above which isn't clear, but the shot across the line of scrimmage shows the Ravens sideline clearly trying to call timeout for a while - well in advance of the snap.

25 posted on 12/07/2007 2:17:25 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: traditional1
second stuff on fourth down and supposed illegal motion on NEW ENGLAND allowed them a THIRD try

It was clear illegal motion by the lineman, at which point the play was dead. The ball was snapped after the play was done for. That's not bad officiating...that's the rule.

Also, watch what happened in the gap the lineman left by leaving too soon: That's where the penetration came through.

26 posted on 12/07/2007 2:21:46 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: traditional1

Get your facts straight...

Ryan called time out before the snap and Billick owned it. What’s phoney about that? They gave the sidelines the power to call time out. Maybe all the times that coaches ice kickers before the snap are phoney too.

Replay showed the guard getting a big jump on the nose tackle before the ball was snapped.

You say clearly juggled but many people on the FR thread thought otherwise. Not 100% proof which is what was needed to overturn it as per NFL standard. At best the ball gets placed on the goal line with 44 seconds left. Blame the Ravens for their thug behavior instead of the refs. That game was winnable and they didn’t.

Jets beat the Steelers only a few weeks ago......


27 posted on 12/07/2007 2:22:23 PM PST by misterrob (Twelve down, Seven more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: traditional1
, phoney timing of timeout call when play was complete, second stuff on fourth down and supposed illegal motion on NEW ENGLAND

I'm glad you are not a referee because you are blind.

45 posted on 12/07/2007 5:26:40 PM PST by A message (Hunter '08)
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To: traditional1
The Pittsburgh Steelers may be 9-3 but they've had a very easy schedule and have played mostly awful teams all year. On the road they are 2-3 including losses to the pathetic New York Jets and the mediocre Denver Broncos and Arizona Cardinals. They just barely beat the winless Miami Dolphins at home and only managed a field goal against them.

On the other hand, the New England Patriots have beaten a lot of solid teams including blowing out the 11-1 Dallas Cowboys and beating the 10-2 Indianapolis Colts.

The Pats should easily handle Pittsburgh on Sunday.

46 posted on 12/07/2007 5:59:38 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 8 days away from outliving Walter Payton)
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