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To: Rte66

Does anyone want to take a guess at how Daniel got abrasions on his pelvis and shoulder? Being lifted? When? To where?

He died between 6 AM and probably 8:30 AM. How long does it take for a body to turn blue?


3,655 posted on 11/22/2007 10:45:30 PM PST by SundayGardener
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To: SundayGardener

I’ve always felt that the pelvic abrasions, left and right, came from *someone* roughly checking the pockets of Daniel’s jeans, shoving their hands in them, looking for something.

That would have had to happen between the time he passed out and when he died, IMO. I think he would have had to have been asleep or passed totally out for it to happen in the first place and he had to still be alive and heart pumping for the scrape marks to show up some blood coloring, the pinkish reddish.

The under arm marks, same type of thing - roughly dragging or lifting him when he was asleep or unconscious, but still alive.

When we later found out about the fact that his jeans disappeared, that kind of told me that they really had been handled, and perhaps like I had imagined. I’m not saying *who* did this, tho.

It’s also possible that someone took his jeans off of him, roughly, by grabbing on the pockets and scraping the skin underneath. What I haven’t figured out is whether he actually had the jeans on when in bed with ANS or not. I’m thinking not.

I’m not so sure we’re going to find out exactly how the marks happened. HKS is going to cover up whatever happened, whether he was messing with Daniel in some way or ANS was.

(After he died and she was allegedly “more impaired” than usual, she wanted to take him home and give him a bath. In her also drug-induced normal stupor, after getting more pain meds in the hospital room, she may have been thinking something simlar - seeing her son after a long time, she may have reverted to thinking of him as a baby, the state of mind she was in from having another newborn to now care for.)


3,656 posted on 11/23/2007 3:53:42 AM PST by Rte66
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To: SundayGardener

recalling from the methadone-in-Anna conversations, it would be several hours after receiving an overdose of methadone, for the overdose to manifest fatality.

There was a much earlier report that those in the rooms nextdoor, heard the rucus about 9am - about half an hour before a nurse was called to the room - don’t know if that report had any substance to it but...it does seem that the timeframe of from howie’s second return to the room ‘after 4am’ until the 6:20 observation of Daniel ‘adjusting’ his mother’s bed is important. An overdose of methadone given at 6’ish, would manifest fatal several hours later, i.e, 9am. imo


3,661 posted on 11/23/2007 5:30:14 AM PST by blueplum
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To: SundayGardener

If he was lifted, wouldn’t clothing fibers be intermixed with the ‘liftee’, or is that just too ‘csi’ ?


3,677 posted on 11/24/2007 2:22:19 AM PST by blueplum
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