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To: nature
It is a bacteria, it can and has been found in the Bahamas

do you have a cite for that? i'm Very interested in it's spread throughout the western hemisphere!!

Yet....Perper can’t force this hardy germ to grow from any samples he took from ANS!

Proof of a raging bacterial infection is in the temperatures that persons of interest have reported ANS having

He even states there was “no evidence of immunodepressed state”.

all the more reason to be suspicious - ANS was a "healthy, well-nourished female, [weighing in at] 178 lbs." - hardly immunodepressed in the sense of the word of long-term hospitalized, hiv, leukemia, cancer, etc.

you know, a long time ago and far away, i spent some college time working in micro lab. One lab didnt' work. A second lab and a third lab...I was catching holy hell...short story, we ordered fresh agar bases, and voila', labs were perfection. Turned out the agar was 10yrs old and couldn't grow a mushroom anymore, much less bacterium. I still laugh (and cringe!) about that one! :)

1,159 posted on 10/21/2007 5:13:33 AM PDT by blueplum ([IC - ICE -(ice bath)])
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To: blueplum

I don’t know of a germ free country. It isn’t the bacterium that is new. What is NEW and why it is gaining concerns is because like many, .. it has gained resistant to our meds that fight it. Of the Acinetobacter species, baumannii accounts for about 80% of reported infections. Not so uncommon as some like to think.

imo, it is not ‘all the more reason to suspect’. Common sense tells me .. if deliberately injected she would have been raging this in her labs .. she wasn’t! Even taking a sample directly from the cyst, they could grow nothing!

It is easily ID’d in tests. If they can find it readily in open wound soldiers, being injected with it.. she should have been a hundred times worse than our poor soldiers, or an ICU patient. Again, they found nothing! In the end he from every medical source Perper availed himself of and not one test result to support that line of crap.

In addition: If CDC even thought this was introduced in FL at a hospital they would be all over it as would that hospital disease control groups. CDC is not some mountain hills lab. There is no other way to say it except, it simply isn’t there. How likely is it that Perper gets a negative on every single one? He is insane and needs to be investigated if anything!

The ONLY ones to say she was sick suddenly were the liars. For all we know she didn’t even have a fever. And a fever is certainly not a single measure for any of Perpers nonsense even if she had one. A fever could have a multitude of causes. According to the liars, the fever quickly resolved besides. What dangerous raging infection has a miracle fever disappear and not return even before Cipro is prescribed let alone given?!

ALL four of his ridiculous “maybe’ can be easily ID’d by medical tests. TWO labs could not ID a thing on his invented list. Most importantly, CDC.
Check the PDF I linked before. And the CDC link. I ‘thought’ I gave them. Or just google Acinetobacter Bahamas.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2363311

General Characteristics of Acinetobacter
Outbreaks and Clusters (Table 1)
More than half of the reports were published in the
past 10 years. Most of the studies emanated from the
United States and three countries in Europe (England,
France, and the Netherlands). There were two reports
from Canada,6,50 and one report from Japan,29 India,33
Belgium,38 Finland,43 Brazil,47 Australia,49 Bahamas,55
South Africa,59 South Korea,60 Germany,61 and Spain.63
Acinetobacter infections have created, or have the potential
to create, transmission problems worldwide.
Nine of the reports described an infection
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/ICHE/journal/issues/v24n4/5221/5221.web.pdf

Kodama, et al. (1985). “Two new species of Pseudomonas: P. oryzihabitans isolated from rice paddy and clinical specimens and P. luteola isolated from clinical specimens”. Int J Syst Bacteriol 35: 467-474
J Clin Microbiol, 1987 Jun, 25(6), 1113 - 4
Recurrent Pseudomonas luteola (CDC group Ve-1) peritonitis in a patient undergoing continuous ambulatory peritoneal dialysis; Connor BJ et al.; Recurrent Pseudomonas luteola (CDC group Ve-1) peritonitis occurred in a patient undergoing continuous ambulatory peritoneal dialysis . Catheter removal was required for cure despite therapy based on antibiotic susceptibilities . This is the third report in the English literature of severe P . luteola infection and the first report of peritonitis caused by this organism.

BTW - sounds like you may be interested in this plum
http://www.ncimb.com/files/Assessing%20the%20Toxic%20Impact%20of%20Chemicals%20using%20Bacteria.pdf


1,178 posted on 10/21/2007 7:20:37 AM PDT by nature
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To: blueplum; nature

As far as an immunosuppressed state, the autopsy report states that there was a finding in the spleen that could suggest an autoimmune disorder, but is discarded as a post-mortem artifcact. Interestingly, on the AOL search records of someone perhaps HKS, there were a lot of searches on autoimmune disorders. I was thinking more about this in relation to HKS himself whose stooped shoulders and gait suggest an arthritic condition to me. In fact the search included gout, rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, etc. But also Marfan’s syndrome, which is often fatal and is found in people with long limbs and long fingers. I have a friend who died of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of that pain medication was for HKS.


1,234 posted on 10/21/2007 11:35:47 AM PDT by SundayGardener
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