Posted on 10/13/2007 6:14:00 PM PDT by fatima
I am guessing the Jan 2 ones plum. She was at the match Jan 6. Not sure when she checked in that week, I forget, sorry.
Might help to look at it by date groups..
1/2/07
Carisoprodol 350 mg. prescribed 1/2/07 Qty. 194 left out of 360 pills (more will be on 1/26*****)
Methocarbamol 750 mg. (Robaxin) 1/2/07 Qty. 87 left out of 120 pills.
Chloral Hydrate 500/ml 1/2/07 Qty. 177 ml left out of 480 ml.
1/26/07
Diazepam (Valium) 10 mg 1/26/07 Qty. 178 left out of 240 pills.
Topomax 50 mg 1/26/07 Qty. 82 left out of 120 pills.
Klonazepam (Klonopin) 2 mg. 1/26/07 Qty. 79 left out of 120 pills
Carisoprodol *** 350 mg. 1/26/07 Qty. 111 left out 360 pills
Also found out that vomiting, the runs (flu symptoms) etc. are side effects of the drug.
What I'll never understand is Perper saying she couldn't have been forced (murder) to take it. We know she was taking it and willingly. His statement makes absolutely no sense.
Hynotic: Makes me think about Goen. Believe he's into that.
It would have hit Anna so fast in her weakened condition, she'd never be able to swig it "neatly", screw the cap back on, put it in its' place and return to her bed. Remember, she weighs 170 lbs. There should have been siliva on the cap. I can't find any indication that she took it "straight". I believe it actually "burns" and Perper said it tasted awful. Sorry charlie...it's illogical.
??? sorry plum, I am missing your point attemtp? Not sure how this applies to Perper not testing for CH from the start which was my question you reply to. If the CH was in the room, why did Perper wait and ‘need clinical’ info from anyone? Why wouldn’t CH be an elephant in the duffel bag to this inventory?
dehydration.. “suggesting” “BUT” .. there is the real truth! “BUT sodium levels NORMAL”. IF dyhydrated, her sodium levels should be elevated and he knows it so has to put a deceitful line in that could be misinterpreted.
He is so dishonest and tricky. He wants to use partial information and discount or ignore total results.
Art & Howie, sitting in a tree.....
bookmark
Something was supposed to happen on the 9th. The Milstein thing I think.
Maybe Milstein got "a knock on the door".!!
And of course, at some point, good ole Larry piped in and said Virgie should pay the bill.
Larry's soooo....Never mind!!
I meant where is the article saying the Will was filed in the Bahamas the plum referred to.
Rale fax .. I don’t think there is a cover page. The pic of the blunder on 2/3 shows “page 01”
HKS was the night owl. 2 am is right up his alley. I think this can be part of the discovery for JQ’s case? I don’t feel like digging. Did howie mention the Will accusation in his complaint to JQ? It was one of the implications JQ talked about.
Alright, I dug anyway. It is in there! This is good. JQ can ask for phone records.
I occasionally fax items directly to a person without a cover sheet...because I know they are the only one in the office. But these documents "are not wills" and do not carry the same "privacy" of attorney's client files.
IIRC, Howard said he didn't know if he was the executor in the will....which made no sense at all. I wish someone can find the quote to that effect.
I don't have video/sound viewing capabilities on this old machine. Actually, I got sick of the dude telling me to load paper and tossed the speakers years ago. :-)
Judges scrap over election
E-mails and documents show political disorder involving selection of the chief judge.
By LUCY MORGAN, Times Staff Writer
Published November 13, 2007
TALLAHASSEE - Imagine a Florida appellate court where nonpartisan judges wage bitter political campaigns to decide who becomes chief judge.
Maybe they divide into political parties and call themselves the Wigs and the Robes. Then - gasp! - they begin to act like legislators.
That’s the system sarcastically envisioned by 1st District Court of Appeal Judge James R. Wolf after a bitter contest this fall led to an 8-7 vote that made Judge Paul Hawkes the next chief judge at the state’s largest and most powerful district court.
It’s the latest brouhaha inside a court where in the past year two of its judges have been targets of investigations by the Judicial Qualifications Commission.
Judge Charles J. Kahn Jr. stepped down from the chief’s job a year ago, after 13 of his fellow judges filed a complaint that he had affairs with two court employees, traveled with them at state expense and helped one get a better job.
The second complaint was filed against Judge Michael E. Allen, after he wrote an opinion critical of Kahn for trying to overturn the bribery conviction of former state Sen. W.D. Childers.
The commission charged with policing the conduct of judges cleared Kahn of any wrongdoing but filed charges against Allen. Just last week, the commission voted against dismissing the charges against Allen, leaving the appeal court in the middle of what will be a public trial pitting one judge against another.
Kahn and Allen remain on the court.
With that mess as a backdrop, the court met in September to elect a new chief judge to replace Judge Edwin B. Browning Jr., who will retire in December 2008.
Hawkes, a former legislator from Citrus County, is one of several conservative Republicans appointed to the court by Gov. Jeb Bush. The fight to elect Hawkes as chief pitted the GOP judges against many of the court’s veterans, leaving hard feelings among judges already sharply divided over the Kahn and Allen cases.
Hawkes says the 1st District is the only Florida appellate court that does not rotate the chief’s job according to seniority. Hawkes is one of the court’s least senior judges, appointed in January 2003.
“I think it is a healthy thing,” Hawkes said. “I don’t think the chief judge is the boss judge, he just carries out the policy decisions of the court. I think it is good to go visit with the other judges to get elected.”
Hawkes said he does not believe the differences between judges on the court has affected their decisionmaking process.
“We are the most productive court in the state, probably the country. That makes it more justice per judge than anywhere in the world.”
But some of his fellow judges see the politicking as unseemly. Most of them refused to speak on the record about the uproar. Details of the dispute were drawn primarily from e-mails, memos and court minutes provided to the St. Petersburg Times under the public records law.
After Hawkes’ election was announced in an e-mail on Sept. 14, Allen sent an e-mail to Hawkes: “I guess this just goes to show that I don’t know much about anything. I am happy for you and hope this turns out to be the best thing for the court.”
Hawkes responded that he hoped they could “restore a more collegial environment.”
That prompted this from Allen: “I want you to know that I resent your suggestion. In fact, I’m just about the nicest and most collegial little fellow I know. Why collegiality is practically my middle name. And don’t you forget it.”
Judge Wolf wrote a sarcastic note to his fellow judges, saying it was wonderful that the court was running like a backroom political system.
“It is so messy having open discussions that the full court can participate in,” Wolf said.
He compared the system used to select Hawkes to other courthouses where a single judge has ruled the roost for years at a time, referring to Hillsborough Judge Dennis Alvarez and Broward Judge Dale Ross as “shining examples of long term leadership.”
Alvarez resigned in 2001 after 13 years as Tampa’s chief judge, leaving behind a judiciary wounded by a series of scandals. Ross was chief judge 16 years before he resigned this year amid criticism over the creation of a secret docket that allowed some judges to keep divorces a secret, and for courtroom circuses like the one looking into the death of Anna Nicole Smith.
Wolf wrote: “I also understand that in several circuits certain judges have not talked to each other for several years because of contested elections. Imagine what a bonus that can be.”
Lucy Morgan can be reached at lmorgan@sptimes.com or at 850 224-7263.
What a wonderful system we’ve created
The 1st District Court of Appeal traditionally rotated its chief judge position by seniority, but recently decided instead to vote on who should be its chief. In a Sept. 18 letter to his colleagues, Judge James Wolf sarcastically trashed the idea. His letter:
I know you are getting tired of me singing the same song, but I think it’s important enough, that I wanted to share some pre-election result musings on contested elections.
Isn’t having contested elections for chief judge a wonderful idea? It has done so much for collegiality and trust, I believe we should consider having them twice a year instead of once every two years.
I can’t believe we waited so long to start this process. The court was in such disarray prior to changing the system.
The Legislature has been holding contested elections for leadership for years. It always ends up with such competent people as leaders. Now that we have decided to act like the legislative branch, maybe we can adopt some of its other great ideas, for example, political parties. We can call ourselves the Wigs and the Robes.
We can make our backroom caucuses and running around for votes an official part of our rules. It is so messy having open discussions that the full court can participate in.
The system of contested elections has also worked well at the circuit level. It has provided us with shining examples of long-term leadership such as Dennis Alvarez and Dale Ross. With a rotation system, how would a judge create a fiefdom? I also understand that in several circuits certain judges have not talked to each other for several years because of contested elections. Imagine what a bonus that can be.
It has worked so well here, I believe we should recommend its adoption to the Supreme Court and our fellow District Judges. We could export it to other states. Can you believe that most of these backward institutions still don’t have contested elections?
Finally, by holding contested elections we have caused unnecessary pain to some fine and competent judges. Another wonderful byproduct. What a perfect system.
Sincerely,
Judge Jim Wolf
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OMG, that is too funny! All you had to do is turn the sound off. HAHAHA!
I had an extension phone in my bedroom. It had the old dinger in it like a BIG BEN clock.
After it woke me a few times at an "inconvenient" time...I took the phone apart...got a pair of wire cutters....and cut the dinger off!!
5 months is a Stern half-lie - that is, maybe Anna, herself, didn’t KNOW she was being given methadone at all - not like it gets you high, so how would one know??? Within the bevy of pill cups, any effects could have been rationalized away....
5mg and less doses don’t cross the placenta - thousands of pregnant women on methadone every day - do we take all their babies???? no. - we are taking the bait again, if we condemn Anna for methadone based on it’s association with heroin addicts - exactly what LB wanted us to believe! he knew he wouldn’t get a ‘sympathetic reaction’ if he only claimed hgh!! and exactly what Howie wanted us to believe, to disassociate himself from Daniel’s death!
1. we have a hospital prescribing methadone for Anna, per press release
2. we have methadone pills, per Lauri
3. we have methadone liquid rx’d to Stern
4. we have an unfulfilled request for methadone pills for stern by Khrisvorkiana
pills, liquid, pills? stinks - where’s the pattern?
if Anna was an uncontrolled methadone addict, why was the methadone bottle of liquid in a fridge by her bed, giving her uncontrolled access....?
if Anna was an uncontrolled methadone addict, why don’t we see an empty bottle or bottles, of that liquid methadone? (that had been in the fridge totally accessable and unfettered for 6 bleeding months????)
if Anna was an uncontrolled methadone addict, why don’t we see more rx-s of methadone pills?
to be noted: certainly Daniel would have told Anna about his dream of seeing her dead...just before he died....
to be noted: Anna and Stern frequently fought.
to be noted: Anna and Larry’s breakup was bitter and hostile.
to be noted: LB has never made an issue of questioning any effects of weaning a fetus off anti-depressants the mother has taken; never made an issue of dialaudid or any other medication at all, except for methadone and hgh - exactly what Howie needed him to do...(personal speculation here - methadone for howie alibi, and hgh to ruin anna’s career/contracts as punishment for running away - pretty stupid for someone looking for child support in the future, imo)
to be noted: there were possibly two pool incidents, one at least, leading to a collapsed lung!! and severe pneumonia.
to be noted: Anna’s ability to use telephones, see visitors, was severly restricted to select, HKS-cleared, people.
to be strongly noted: even after 3 months of allegedly intensive drugging, leading to possibly two life-threatening situations with a pool, Anna was still not fully under ‘control’.....She called her son to come to her and according to the half-truth of Stern that Daniel was going to move there, we can decide that Anna expressed she definitely wanted Daniel by her side to feel safe.
After Daniel’s death, she was still trying to contact Jackie, her mom, and Nygard......She was still trying to contact Jackie, her mom, and Nygard.....She was still trying to contact Jackie, her mom, and Nygaard!
and after Those attempts were blocked, even after all the pressure to ‘behave’, Anna was still not fully under ‘control’ - we can decide this because in January she was telling Denke and Shelley, and others, that she was in life-threatening situation, again, and, in January, she was posing in front of paparrazzi - deliberately posing - looking like either she’d been beat or a mac truck had hit her - i’ve always said that was the loudest cry for help I’d ever seen.
We have to block out the noise from hks and lb. the methadone is a pink elephant - it serves only LB and HKS - LB for custody/child support, and HKS as a cover-story it was ‘anna’s fault’.
Feb 22, ‘07 LKL
HAMMER: ...Stern`s attorney had Birkhead read a bitter e-mail he once wrote to Anna Nicole.
BIRKHEAD: “I`m not going to give up. I`m GOING TO SEE IN WRITING that I`m not the father, because I have to think that no real woman, no real mother, no one with the heart could tell a man with no kids, especially after a heartbreaking and devastating miscarriage, that he was a daddy again and not be true. No one could or should do anyone to that, not even you, the devil.”
*Court testimony (answer the question, Larry!):
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And why is it then that you as an adult, as you just stated, took the chance on getting her pregnant and putting this baby in danger before it was even
conceived?
BIRKHEAD: Well, when she came back from South Carolina in November and December.
SEIDLIN: No, no, no long story. Answer the question.
BIRKHEAD: Because when we got - when we.
SEIDLIN: Why did you make her pregnant when you knew she was overmedicated?
BIRKHEAD: Well, the answer is, when she came back from South Carolina, she was not medicated as much, and she cleared herself up.
SEIDLIN: What do you mean?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As much?
BIRKHEAD: Well, she had been - and she - I could understand what she was saying, I could understand her. She was in a better state of mind. Her skin was clear. She was a better -it was totally different.
Feb 22, ‘07 - Stern: I don’t know. You know, she had more than one doctor . I believe her doctors knew about each other.
[Seidlin]: Could you have stopped her from taking these drugs? These prescription drugs - could you have stopped it?
Stern: Your honor, after her son passed away…
[Seidlin]: Prior.
Stern: I talked to her about it. I mean, I talked to her about it. And she did cut down a lot on medication that she took. Can anybody stop someone else?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17320005/
What can actually show the correct time and date is phone records. A fax to another town is long distance and surely one to the Bahamas would show it too. If Rale has a phone call at that time on that date to the Bahamas then that should show it. I have a separate line for my computer and when I fax something long distance it will show and I have to pay. I am sure someone has already said this before but I can't remember reading it.
BTW, I must tell you I love reading your posts. They are very thought out and informative IMO.
the answers to your questions are here:
http://www.broward.org/medical/investigative_report.pdf
You just can’t skim this document - Perper has carefully worded some paragraphs - his salient points are very subtle.
The lab reports are letters of attachment to the original report. It makes me sick to my stomach to realize just how Vicki’s body was carved up.
“Have now said that SOMEWHERE, Howard has a tape where Anna says she gave meds to Danny when he helped her to the bathroom. That’s what Howard had over her. “
I can go for a drugged Anna saying anything - but I can’t go for Anna giving Daniel any drugs - simply because, from Shelley, we know, that the drugs were in the duffel bag - lots of drugs - had Danny seen that, he would have sounded an alarm right then and there - remember, he complained to Hardin that his mother was being fed drugs - and he stumbles on the motherlode of evidence and says nothing???? naw...
speaking of drugs in the dufflebag...didn’t shelley also tell us that HKS took another stash out from under the bed, using the excuse he had to hide them from Anna?
so.......why two stashes???? seems aweful curious to me...
“Larry showing tapes of Anna to the baby bothers me. “
it bothered me in that it seems to show me, that larry is very insecure about anna coming back to get him - he keeps kissing the baby to reassure himself and keeps looking away from the screen - or maybe he’s selfishly trying to redirect the baby’s attention back to him instead of her being glued to the image of her mother?
his recent comments about having ‘dreams of anna’ every night indicate to me a guilty conscious.
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