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Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (Spoiler Alert!!)
07/11/07 | Dianna

Posted on 07/11/2007 12:44:49 AM PDT by Dianna

Please DO NOT read this thread if you have not seen the movie. Even if you have read this book, topics under discussion can affect what you will expect in the last book.

Several pet theories for the Deathy Hallows have, perhaps, been laid to rest by the release of this movie. A number of plot points I had thought were important to the end of the series were completely left out of Order of the Phoenix.

1. There is absolutely NO reference to the cleaning of Grimmauld Place. Thus, any speculation about the locket horcrux being hoarded by Kreacher must be false.

2. The prophecy was never heard in full. The portion of the prophecy which could have referred to Neville instead of Harry was omitted.

3. There was no mention of Percy's estrangement from his family. Percy was shown at Fudge's side at important points, but unless his face was remembered from previous movies, people not reading the book may not have caught that.

There were two plot changes which puzzled me. Cho was the one who gave Dumbledore's Army away, not the unimportant character of Marietta. Also, Sirius, before he falls through the veil calls Harry, "James". I assume these changes have a point, but I don't know what.

There was also no reference to Hermione and Ron being Prefects. There was no Quidditch at all, so Ron would not be on the team.


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To: Dianna

See also post #318...


321 posted on 07/15/2007 10:44:55 AM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: schwing_wifey
It seems the only time Snape really goes crazy is when its suggested in any way that he’s a coward. (How significant is this?)

IMHO, very significant.

322 posted on 07/15/2007 11:50:40 AM PDT by retrokitten (I love caffeine)
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To: SandyInSeattle
...and don’t think so hard.

That's actually good advice in general! LOL

When we got home my husband was asking me all sorts of questions about why different things happened. That's when I realized I didn't remember Umbridge saying she was the one who sent the dementors. Does anyone remember movie Umbridge revealing that little bit of info? If she did my husband and I completely missed it.

We're going to go again in a couple of weeks and see it on the Imax. Kreecher totally creeped me out. I don't know what it was, but he was just so icky. I guess I pictured him to look more like an old version of Dobby. He had a very menacing quality about him.

323 posted on 07/15/2007 11:58:36 AM PDT by retrokitten (I love caffeine)
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To: Dianna
Does Snape die?
324 posted on 07/15/2007 12:00:26 PM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: retrokitten
When we got home my husband was asking me all sorts of questions about why different things happened. That's when I realized I didn't remember Umbridge saying she was the one who sent the dementors. Does anyone remember movie Umbridge revealing that little bit of info? If she did my husband and I completely missed it.

Great minds! That thought just occured to me (in the shower, which is where I do my best thinking.) I don't recall her mentioning it.

Also, one of the girls used "levicorpus" on one of the death eaters at the ministry. That curse isn't mentioned until book 6 when Harry discovers it, so how did she know it...???

325 posted on 07/15/2007 12:01:03 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: retrokitten
That's when I realized I didn't remember Umbridge saying she was the one who sent the dementors. Does anyone remember movie Umbridge revealing that little bit of info?

Now that you mention it, no she didn't.

326 posted on 07/15/2007 12:13:18 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: A knight without armor

Not yet...


327 posted on 07/15/2007 12:14:17 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I think that’s the one James uses on Snape, but you are right- Harry doesn’t try it out until he uses it on Ron in HPB. I remember Lupin or Sirius saying that it was the “fashionable” charm to use when they were in school.

The other thing I thought was odd was that Umbridge blasts through the door of the room of requirement. How are they going to rectify that with Harry trying to get inside it in HBP? People who aren’t familiar with the books will probably just think, “Why doesn’t he just blast through like Umbridge did?”


328 posted on 07/15/2007 12:22:57 PM PDT by retrokitten (I love caffeine)
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To: retrokitten
The Room of Requirement is different for every user’s need.

Harry asked for a room to train and practice DADA. (Although what Neville asked for in the movie is unclear.)

Malfoy asked for a room where he wouldn’t be disturbed.

329 posted on 07/15/2007 12:29:06 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: null and void

That’s true. Plus, Harry didn’t know what Malfoy was using it for, so he didn’t know what to focus on to get it to open up. At least that is what I am going to go with. ;-)

I did really like the DA scenes. And I don’t think I could love Neville more. I loved when he yelled at Bellatrix, “Better, now that they’re about to be avenged!” I’m really, really hoping that we see much more Neville Deathly Hallows. He’s my favorite character.


330 posted on 07/15/2007 12:41:26 PM PDT by retrokitten (I love caffeine)
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To: retrokitten
“Better, now that they’re about to be avenged!”

yeah!

331 posted on 07/15/2007 12:42:13 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: retrokitten

The other thing I thought was odd was that Umbridge blasts through the door of the room of requirement. ..........

If you know the purpose of the room, you can enter. Remember Cho’s friend told them the purpose of the room, so she was able to come in. Of course, like you pointed out though if the audience didn’t read the book, then they won’t know this info and will be confused.


332 posted on 07/15/2007 1:18:34 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: EmilyGeiger

I was a little puzzled why Cho was the sneak. I know it was easier then introducing a new character and it explains why Harry doesn’t want to hang with Cho anymore, but the way it happens they sort of make us have a little sympathy for her. Umbridge threatened her moms job and apparently used the veritaserum (sp?) on her to get her to talk.


333 posted on 07/15/2007 1:45:36 PM PDT by retrokitten (I love caffeine)
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To: retrokitten

Saw it Friday! They did a great job casting Umbridge. Story flowed very well, but if you haven’t read the books it would be a tough one.


334 posted on 07/15/2007 1:48:53 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: retrokitten

I figured Durmstrang was in Siberia due to the “heavy fur coats” that were mentioned.


335 posted on 07/15/2007 2:05:16 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: retrokitten; EmilyGeiger

I’m glad they at least said something about the truth potion because even my son didn’t like the fact they cast Cho as the “bad girl”.


336 posted on 07/15/2007 3:47:19 PM PDT by schwing_wifey (Lily was mistaken..The Borg are Swedish..Resistance is Futile.....)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

She was great! And by great I mean horrible and I wanted to slap her. She reminded me of the mother in-law from hell.


337 posted on 07/15/2007 4:05:01 PM PDT by retrokitten (I love caffeine)
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To: schwing_wifey

At least she was spared the pimple curse from Hermione.


338 posted on 07/15/2007 4:06:15 PM PDT by retrokitten (I love caffeine)
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To: retrokitten
Veritas serum. She under it she had no ability to resist answering.
339 posted on 07/15/2007 4:55:59 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: Politicalmom
Durm and strang is a spoonerism of Sturm und Drang

The conventional translation of Sturm und Drang is "Storm and Stress"; a more literal translation, however, might be storm and urge, storm and longing, or storm and impulse.

It is the name of a movement in German literature and music in which individual subjectivity and, in particular, extremes of emotion were given free expression in response to the confines of rationalism imposed by the Enlightenment.

Therefore Drumstrang is doubtless in Germany or at least a Germanic country...

340 posted on 07/15/2007 5:07:28 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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