Posted on 05/13/2007 6:12:10 AM PDT by george76
New Hampshire authorities said yesterday that they will not press charges against a former Marine who stepped into a deadly shooting and killed a 24-year-old high school dropout who had moments earlier fatally shot a police officer.
The former Marine, Gregory W. Floyd, 49, was driving with his son along Route 116 in Franconia on Friday night when he saw Liko Kenney, 24, shoot Franconia Police Corporal Bruce McKay, 48, four times in the torso. After Kenney drove his Toyota Celica over McKay as the officer lay on the ground, Floyd grabbed the officer's service weapon and shot and killed Kenney. . . .
The elder Floyd drove his Tahoe into a spot between McKay and Kenney as a shield and told his son, who is in his late teens, to run to the officer's cruiser and radio for help.
The elder Floyd picked up McKay's gun from the ground and ordered Kenney to drop his weapon. Kenney refused, and Floyd saw Kenney appear to be reloading, Conte said. Floyd then shot and killed Kenney, Conte said. . . .
New Hampshire's attorney general, Kelly A. Ayotte, said Floyd will not face charges because he was justified in using deadly force.
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Now let me take the other approach, you start busting my stones, the issue is you don’t want to put the tags on the plates until you get home. You become more aggressive, you know explaining your rights etc. I ask if I can search you truck, you say no. At that point, I tell you, stay in your truck, call for backup. When backup arrives, I show you a photo and a newspaper story about a town a few miles from here, where the cop has a sniffer dog. The cop and dog are available, can be here in 10 mins. Sir you have the option, me search or the dog sniffs, which is it?
I used this technique several times with positive results. When I offered that you put the tags on the plates, but you did not want to, that says to me, you want out of here, now. Why?
Why?
Please allow me to address both you and CindyDawg.
CindyDawg: Seattle. No, you aren’t required to declare your status, it’s just a good idea. Had it escalated to the point where I was ordered from my vehicle I would have declared my status and given them complete control of the “take-down”. Ordinarily I would have already mentioned it, but I knew I was facing someone with a bad attitude and an agenda. I was also about 23 ;’}
tiger-one: Your approach is the measured and responsible one. I’ve had enough traffic tickets in my life (fortunately nothing worse!) to know the difference. Yes, I did show him my new tabs, which got me the “If they aren’t on the car, it’s as good as not having them at all” speech. At that point I guess I am supposed to ask nicely “Well, can you please write me a ticket sir?” when I have no idea what was going to set him off (remember, he’s presuming that I might be armed, but I know that he is!). My objective was to prevent escalation and get out of there alive.
I believe that the reason that the 2nd cop arrived is that it was a high-crime area. This was back before they carried the mike on the shoulder radios and he never strayed very far from my vehicle, so I don’t believe that he called in for backup. I have no doubt that his buddy heard him make the call for the stop, and then went to investigate when he heard nothing further. It was also in the days before cell phones, so I couldn’t call for help, either.
The Seattle force never got the reputation of, say New Orleans, or Chicago, but in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s they had a bunch of punks running wild within their ranks. They frightened an entire generation of blacks with their brutality. That reputation dies hard. They experienced a couple of large purges as a result. The 2nd cop was older, and had the presentation of a professional, instead of a gunslinger.
The point of my tale is that it isn’t always as presented on COPS, and that it takes two to tangle. This was a bad stop that fortunately (for all) concluded peacefully. The reason it ended peacefully was because of my deliberate actions, and in spite of his deliberate actions.
Once again I applaud your common sense approach to a difficult task. I don’t think I have the temperament to put up with the BS that comes with that line of work.
Regards,
~rockrr~
These are the kinds of details I was talking about. I still don’t understand just how far Kenney “drove” after running over the officer with his car.
And I fail to see why Kenney’s high school status matters. Reporters suck.
“Reporters suck.”
Thank you. I’m glad I’m not the only one who was re-reading and re-reading in order to try to make sense of this muddled mess!
We were talking about the story last night over here.
That said, I think that they should be relaxed instead of stressed if someone declares because we aren't the enemy either.
Your post on that thread has a much better account than this one. Thanks ;’}
I have learned to sit still though. I got pulled over and couldn’t find my insurance card. I gave both my ids and told him I did not have my gun with me.. I started to search the glove box and was told that was ok. Being the good citizen that I am, I continued to look while he went back to his car. I couldn’t reach the other side so I got out and went to the passenger side and searched under the seat. He jumped out and got behind his door and yelled what was I doing. I told him “I’m looking for my insurance card. I know it’s here somewhere” This young man made me stand by the car so he could watch me until he was thru. He didn’t site me for the insurance though:’)
And I fail to see why Kenney’s high school status matters. Reporters suck.”
There aren’t many real details here, just a lot of speculation. Some of it is informed, some not. Quite a lot of the latter, but a fair amount of the former, as well. No one includes all the details, and I doubt that you could get them even if you carefully examined all the news stories; much we need just isn’t there. I’ve looked. He could have driven anywhere from a few yards to a couple of miles, but no one in the reports I’ve seen has detailed that little tidbit. You’re right about the importance of his status re graduation from high school, too.
Something my dad taught me, from when he worked for the LA Herald-Examiner: Don’t believe but half of what you see your self, and none of what you read. BTW, he drove a delivery truck, but he had a lot of friends on various police departments who would come to visit in the wee hours of the morning. We knew a lot of what was going on in our area in the early hours.
We all have problems with certain people. We don’t go around killing though. This young man according to reports shot someone several times and then ran over the person. IMO that isn’t self defense. I’ve read comments about well, if the officer had done this or that...regardless. No one made this guy pull the trigger.
My Uncle Archie told me that once I handed the cop my registration and license, to put my hands on the top of the steering wheel, and wait. If it was dark, to turn on the dome light before I put the hands on the steering wheel. It helps the cops keep from being so nervous. I wasn’t yet driving when he said that, but I’ve remembered it all these years. He was in Glendale PD at the time.
That’s what my husband said I should have done too.
“That’s what my husband said I should have done too.”
Yep. Do NOT want nervous cops standing or sitting behind your vehicle. Not now, and not ever.
I have stopped cars, and the driver almost immediately gets out and starts walking toward my cruiser, I pick up the PA mic and tell them to stay in their car. Cops get hit while out of their cruisers, and people have gotten of their cars to shoot the cop. Some people get real rattled when the blue light special rolls up behind them.
I had one stop, college age female returning to college, on the interstate, I was running radar an hour before sunset. She was “cooking” 95 MPH in a posted 65. After she stopped and we did the formalities, she told me she was speeding because she wanted to get to college before it got dark, she was afraid to drive it the dark. The toughest job a cop has, it to inform the loved ones a family member has been killed. And they teach you in the Academy how to do that. But the teaching does not make it any easier.
Regards
Yeah. I know. I wasn’t thinking of safety. I was thinking of having to tell my husband I got two tickets and was trying to reduce it to one:’)
I'm sorry to hear about that...
If your story is accurate that SPD cop was chickenshit for writing a ticket.
Thanks for the Kudos.
Rules of the job. Use common sense, there are two sides to every story, and liability.
I like the message boards where the posters bitch about speed traps and quotas. We do not have quotas.
Speed traps, I guess when I can position my cruiser into the bushes where I can see you and my radar can read your speed, I’ll give you the trap bitch, up to a point. If you, and I am not referring to you Cindy or Rock, say it is a trap, that means the only time you don’t speed is when you see a cop.
Quotas, don’t need them, there is enough activity out there, where computers are needed to write tickets.
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