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You said — “I confess I cringed when I saw the length of your screed. It was pretty good, though.”

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Yeah, I can imagine... LOL

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You asked — “I am curious about one point. You said Mankind procreates, yet in Genesis 6 it’s pretty clear that at least some Angels procreated as well.”

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Yeah, I should have been more precise about that. What you brought up is a good point.

I should have said that angels don’t procreate to extend and expand *their race*. What they end up with, in what they did is get a “hybrid” which is neither angel or man. And in addition to that, it appears that God made angels as *only male* and not female.

In the human race, God made male and female — but, God fashioned Adam *only* as a special creation, and then Eve, as a creation *from Adam* — and not a special and separate creation on her own. Perhaps in more technical terms, if we can even do so, with something that God did — was that He created Eve from the very genetic code and *actual material* straight out of Adam and not of anything from the earth or the elements in the earth. Adam was made out of the earth and its elements. Eve was made *specifically* and *entirely* from Adam.

So, the human race was given two people — male and female to start procreating to “expand” and extend itself. Note that this command to “multiply” was given *before* the Fall in the Garden of Eden. So, that gives another indication that God knew very well, that soon, He would be condemning mankind to *death* for their violation of His simple command and that they would also *need* procreation to even continue to exist into the future.

Angels on the other hand, don’t die. They don’t actually *need* to procreate to extend and expand their own kind. And since they don’t have females, they have *no opportunity* to procreate — even if they wanted to. So, this is a *foreign concept* to them — totally foreign, only understood by human kind.

I can imagine that they *also* want to know all about this “procreation” and what it consists of. And perhaps part of what they did was to also try and find out about — what they knew *absolutely nothing* about.

Thus, angels are always indicated as male, they are said to not be “given in marriage” or “to marrying” in Heaven. But, it does not say that they are incapable of engaging in what procreation consists of. *That* the Bible does *not* say. And since the Bible *does* say that they did engage in these physical acts of union with females of the human race, that clearly means that they are *capable*.

So, angels don’t have to procreate, they are capable of doing so with human females, they are only male (meaning they can’t extend and expand their own race), and they are stepping out of the ordered bounds which God set up, if and when they do so with human females.

Humans are made to procreate, in order to extend and expand the human race. Adam was the first man, a special-made creation of God (out of the earth and its elements), while Eve was a special creation made specifically out of Adam and his genetic make-up, from his own body (and was not the same kind of special creation that Adam was). That’s why Adam is also called a “son of God” (like the angels are called). And humanity *has to procreate* because of the sin condition and the judgement that was pronounced by God — of “death” to everyone. So, procreation is the only way for humanity to survive, with that “judgement from God”. Angels did not have that kind of judgement, nor do they expand their numbers. They are fixed in their numbers, and they don’t die.

And when it comes to the time when those who are saved (have accepted Jesus Christ as Savior) do get their “new bodies”, the immortal ones, which will never die (called glorified bodies, which would be the same kind that Adam and Eve had before they fell into sin and before the judgement from God) — at that time, as Jesus made clear, Himself, there will be no more “marrying” and “given in marriage” any more. That means, no more families or no more extending of the numbers of the human race — just like the angels are now, in that they are “fixed” in numbers and to not procreate.

Since God instituted marriage as a specific and divine institution for the growth of families and the expansion of the human race, it’s pretty clear that if God says (through Jesus telling us) that there will be no more marrying or giving in marriage in Heaven, that there are going to be no more little ones growing up and no more families to raise at that time.

Now, I should qualify that and say that I’m not talking about those people who still live on the earth during the Millennial Reign of Christ (that 1,000 year Kingdom of God on earth). During that time, those people who are still living from this present time frame *will* still have families and will still expand and grow the population. It’s just that those who have already gone to Heaven and have received their glorified bodies will *no longer* do so (according to what Jesus has told us).

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And then you said — “I also respectfully disagree with your reasoning about the rest of the universe not being eligible for salvation. Even for a mere human father with many children, each is special, and he tells each and every one that very thing.”

Well, here’s the thing about salvation. It’s pointed out that it was only by being of the *same kind* as Adam (i.e., totally human) that one could, at all, take over the headship of the human race, and offer to be a Savior for mankind. That’s why Christ is compared to the “first Adam” — as — the “last Adam”.

But, also, the Bible says that if one lives a perfect life, then one could only “save oneself” and not others. It says that a man simply could die for one other man, but not for all men. So, the condition is set up, first that Christ had to be *fully man* to even be considered Savior at all. Then secondly, another condition is set up, in that if Christ was *merely* man (just a man, only) He could only die for “one other person” — but not for an entire race of men and women.

However, it’s pointed out that Jesus Christ was not simply, or “merely” a “man” (though it says being *fully man*) — He was also, of the Trinity — the divine Godhead, and thus composed of “infinity” of the eternal and uncaused and uncreated state of being — of God, Himself.

And in that way, in that “state of being” that being “fully man” He offers salvation for “man”, which He can only do for “man” if He *is* of mankind — while, at the same time — in His infinite nature of being the eternal and uncased “Godhead”, He is able to offer it “infinitely” to *all* of mankind (and not just “one man” — of offering “life for life”). He offers His “life” for the “lives of the many” in His infinite nature.’’

So, that argues strongly for no salvation, outside of anything being “man” — because Jesus Christ *had to become* — man — in order to “save man”.

You see..., there is a matter of “justice” here — that is involved, for why Jesus Christ *had to* be (1) fully man and (2) fully God. First of all, one might think that if God simply would “say so” — that this is all it takes. In other words, God looks at this mess and says, —

“Okay, y’all really messed this whole thing up, so I’m going to say, let’s just forget about everything, let bygones be bygones, and we’ll pretend everything is okay and start off again like nothing ever happened — just because I am God and I say so!”

God can’t do that and — at the same time — not be accused of being “unjust” and maybe “favoritism” to “humans” against “angels” (who are of a different race and they were given no other “chances”. Or perhaps God could be accused of being “capricious” then — and deciding “willy-nilly” whatever He wants at whatever time it is and whatever mood He’s in. That wouldn’t make for a very trustworthy and loving God — but one that you had to constantly fear being on His right side and hopefully on a “good day”, too.

That’s what Satan does, all the time, is *accuse* humanity of *not deserving* salvation and it being “unjust” to even consider giving it to them. So, Satan accuses and accuses and accuses — all the time, pointing out this thing and that thing and this wrong done and that wrong done — to try and show why humanity is simply *not worthy*. And in the “supreme justice” of things, Satan would be right, that humanity is not worthy. But, God ends up showing not only His supreme *justice* in doing what He’s done, but His supreme love and grace, by providing the only *just way* of saving humanity — by *becoming human* in God the Son, Jesus the Messiah of Israel, while also being the infinite God of the Trinity (of Father, Son and Holy Spirit) — thereby not only providing salvation *justly* (and silences any accusation of injustice) but also by *enabling* the salvation of humanity by His *very and specific infinite nature (remember, man can only die for one man, not for *all men*).

Thus God provides the (1) justice, the (2) love, the (3) mercy and the (4) supreme capability, all in one package.

This kind of package is *incapable* of being reproduced for other alien races.

If there are “aliens” out there to be saved, that would mean that the infinite God would “have to become alien” in order to save “any alien”. And since the Godhead consists of only God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit — of which God the Father is described as *not a man* (unseen and unknown by all, except as “the Son” reveals Him to us) — and the Holy Spirit is described as only bringing attention to “the Son” (and *never* speaking of Himself, in any circumstances) — and Jesus as “being fully man” — there is *no one else* left to save *any aliens* in this universe...

There *are no Saviors* left for any aliens who are out there. They are goners — if they do exist... Too bad for them (that might be another reason they’re “after us”... LOL...)

Regards,
Star Traveler