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To: msgumshoe

“Or...she was throwing up and couldn’t keep anything on her stomach and she injected herself with cloral hydrate possibly.”

I agree, everything points to CH as being the stomach irritant. However, IMO, I doubt ANS was ever well enough coordinated once she got to the Seminole nation to be injecting herself. She was often seen falling and staggering by several descriptions.

So, the way I see it, IF it were no longer “the flu” - if it EVER was the flu and not a mis-identified “abrupt methadone withdrawal”, and IF she were taking or BEING GIVEN enough chloral hydrate by mouth to try to handle the withdrawal symptoms that were NOT being handled by the huge amounts of clondine and the benzodiazepines, THEN, from everything I’ve Googled up on chloral hydrate, ANS would have had quite a significant stomach irritation.

Thats quite a few “if’s.” However, none of them are far fetched given that ANS likely had EITHER an abrupt or very rapid methadone withdrawal. See post #7351 and link at bottom. Then, according to that methadone withdrawal scenario website, I’d think what you’re proposing seems very, very likely.

http://www.rxmed.com/b.main/b2.pharmaceutical/b2.1.monographs/CPS-%20Monographs/CPS-%20(General%20Monographs-%20C)/CHLORAL%20HYDRATE.html.

“Chloral Hydrate Adverse Effects: Gastrointestinal: The most frequent adverse effect of chloral hydrate is gastrointestinal irritation, manifested by nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and stomach pain.”

http://www.drugtext.org/library/books/methadone/section9.html#detox


7,484 posted on 04/22/2007 6:02:48 PM PDT by nynjanais
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To: nynjanais

ANS was supposed to submit to a DNA test that theoretically could have been used to check for drug use. Saliva drug tests can detect recent opiate use accurately and that may have been their fear.

If this was the case that might have been a motivation for a quick detox off of methadone using the chloral hydrate.

If they started in the Bahamas and she couldn’t keep the chloral hydrate they may have tried to inject it. I don’t think Dr. KE has a lot of experience with drugs as her specialty was being a work comp drug whore.

An injection is almost a certain abscess...


7,486 posted on 04/22/2007 6:22:39 PM PDT by msgumshoe
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To: nynjanais
enough chloral hydrate by mouth to try to handle the withdrawal symptoms

this still does not fit into any part of the puzzle - 'forced withdrawal' is a smokescreen. DNA testing can be ordered to only test DNA, not drugs.

again, a maintenance methadone dose level would not have been sufficient reason for Anna to lose custody. Methadone wasn't the problem. The numerous televised drugged appearances, the still photos and video of Anna at the wrestling match, the fed-x shipping bills, the laundry-list note, were all adequate to prove drug use. No drug test needed. The video and stills would have been testament enough to remove the child from custody, then force a drug test. Anna's custody goose was cooked January at the HardRock. HK had talked to Dubai, and could have delayed the DNA test for another 1 or 5 years. 'forced withdrawal' for a DNA/drug test February 28, on Feb 5-8th, doesn't compute.

7,655 posted on 04/23/2007 12:57:58 AM PDT by blueplum ([IC - ICE -(ice bath)])
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