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Page 4 of the autopsy says:

Evidence of Recent Medical Treatment:

(snip)
There is intravenous line placement at the right anterior neck with hemorrhage into the anterior strap muscles of the neck.

One recent needle puncture mark is in the right antecubital fossa and two recent needle puncture marks are at the anterior left elbow with surrounding ecchymoses.

There is one recent needle puncture into the medial one-third of the left anterior forearm with surrounding ecchymosis.

A recent needle puncture mark is at the left anterior wrist with surrounding reddish ecchymosis, 1 inch in diameter.

http://www.broward.org/medical/060223autopsy_report.pdf


Would all of these have come from resuscitation attempts?


261 posted on 04/07/2007 8:57:14 PM PDT by Abbalybisabba
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To: Abbalybisabba

Definition of Ecchymosis

Ecchymosis: The skin discoloration caused by the escape of blood into the tissues from ruptured blood vessels.

There are five needle punctures with ecchymosis associated.  Wouldn't that indicate she was alive when they occurred?  Capillary leakage causing bruising would require circulation.

268 posted on 04/07/2007 9:19:07 PM PDT by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT(everything not sourced should be regarded as IMO))
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To: Abbalybisabba

That’s a lot of needle marks - do you think Perper made the emt’s and hospital account for all of these - I don’t.


294 posted on 04/07/2007 9:54:18 PM PDT by mommya
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To: Abbalybisabba

“There is intravenous line placement at the right anterior neck with hemorrhage into the anterior strap muscles of the neck.

One recent needle puncture mark is in the right antecubital fossa and two recent needle puncture marks are at the anterior left elbow with surrounding ecchymoses.

There is one recent needle puncture into the medial one-third of the left anterior forearm with surrounding ecchymosis.

A recent needle puncture mark is at the left anterior wrist with surrounding reddish ecchymosis, 1 inch in diameter.

http://www.broward.org/medical/060223autopsy_report.pdf


Would all of these have come from resuscitation attempts?”

I think these findings probably came from resuscitation attempts. Particularly if they were having difficulty getting any one line to run properly, there would have been multiple lines attempted.

Actually a port would have had less bruising or none if it had been in place while ANS was alive. There would have been little liquifaction, or extravisation of blood (as there was with these punctures in the immediate post mortem period) because the circulation/healing mechanisms were competent while she was alive. If the port had not been placed correctly while she was alive, THEN it would have been surrounded by swelling or bruising but then the port would have clotted off or been incompetent and useless.

I don’t believe a port existed at her death. IMO the morons were doing something else with the water they refer to — putting her feet into it, pouring it into her mouth. Remember almost nothing they did seemed to indicate good training or appropriate responses.


308 posted on 04/07/2007 10:13:46 PM PDT by nynjanais
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To: Abbalybisabba; Lizarde
I don't know but...

"There is intravenous line placement at the right anterior neck with hemorrhage into the anterior strap muscles of the neck."

Isn't this the IV line people were talking about her having and the lady with her trying to put water in it?

396 posted on 04/08/2007 5:51:05 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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