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To: tabor
I see your points.

As to HKS there are many red flags:
*the nasty comments about VA - totally uncalled for
*refusal to let VA see DL
*refusal to let VA and Daniel speak with ANS
*his lies about paternity and too many other lies to list here
*his fight against determining paternity
*his presence at the scene of two death of persons who should not have died - what a "coincidence"
*ANS given drugs prescribed for him and his actions on the day she died were at best bizarre
*the fight over the funeral - about which he should have had no say at all - and his handling of the funeral revealed a sadistic streak
*his fight to prevent a hearing - just a hearing - into the death of Daniel speaks for itself and what it reveal is truly frightening
*watch the shocking Clown video - what a guy
*there are many other facts about him posted here that fill in the puzzle. His own actions and words have betrayed him.

Not singly but taken all together, these facts paint the picture of a sociopath to many. A number of others on this thread are better informed than I and can make a better case against HKS than I.

Let's not forget Bonnie's statement - "Over our dead body."

10,698 posted on 05/05/2007 11:07:09 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3

To: Dante3

I believe the following site has a useful review of references from Cleckley, and other more recent authors, as well as current psychiatric guidelines regarding what is needed to make a diagnosis of sociopathy.

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

It seems that HKS meets items 1.( having exceeded the necessary number (3) of listed characteristics needed to fulfill diagnostic requirements ), 2, and 4. in the following excerpt:

DSM-IV Definition

Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a lack of regard for the moral or legal standards in the local culture. There is a marked inability to get along with others or abide by societal rules. Individuals with this disorder are sometimes called psychopaths or sociopaths.

Diagnostic Criteria (DSM-IV)

1. Since the age of fifteen there has been a disregard for and violation of the right’s of others, those right’s considered normal by the local culture, as indicated by AT LEAST THREE OF THE FOLLOWING:
A. REPEATED ACTS THAT COULD LEAD TO ARREST.
B. CONNING FOR PLEASURE OR PROFIT, REPEATED LYING, OR THE USE OF ALIASES.
C. Failure to plan ahead or being impulsive.
D. REPEATED ASSAULTS ON OTHERS.
E. RECKLESS WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR OR OTHERS SAFETY.
F. POOR WORK BEHAVIOR OR FAILURE TO HONOR FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS.
G. RATIONALIZING THE PAIN THEY INFLICT ON OTHERS.

2. AT LEAST EIGHTEEN YEARS IN AGE.

3. Evidence of a Conduct Disorder, with its onset before the age of fifteen.

4. SYMPTOMS NOT DUE TO ANOTHER MENTAL DISORDER.

Posted on 05/05/2007 11:57:52 AM PDT by nynjanais


10,700 posted on 05/05/2007 11:24:52 AM PDT by nynjanais
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To: Dante3

Oh, I know all the red flags, Dante, and normally, they’d point me in the very same direction the majority here is in. Something about my gut instinct, though, and how things have been reported in the media, plus my formed opinions way, way before Daniel died— I puzzle myself, sometimes,lol!
For one thing, I’ve always seen Howard as more or less unimportant. I’ve no doubt he was very important to Anna and she trusted him. I’m also sure they didn’t always get along, like any brother/sister, husband/wife, etc. I just can’t see him as a, say, John Gotti-type figure, a Rasputin, a Kennedy, who has that kind of power and influence and money to coerce and manipulate and control others. Howard Stern just isn’t that all important to anyone now, except his own family. I’ve never considered him to be a strong man.
As to the paternity issue, that was Anna’s thing up until the day she died. After that, it really didn’t take too long in the scheme of things to get that settled. Sure, Howard advised her and helped her. That was his role.
As to him saying nasty things about Virgie, recently-well, I didn’t think they were that nasty, compared to stuff she’s said about him, and being human, I’ll give them both leeway on that. Can you imagine trying to keep emotions in check for months, after going what both have been through? Don’t think I could.


10,704 posted on 05/05/2007 12:29:25 PM PDT by tabor
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