Yes, Perper relied totally on what those 2 told him but it sounded as though Stern had the most influence. Not that it should matter as the 2 are partners in crime IMO. Again the question needs to be asked: WHY would Perper go so far out on a limb to provide cover for Stern and Dr. E.? And remember Dr. E was asked on ET recently if she was worried and she said she was not worried in a very calm manner IIRC,