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Imprisoned border agent did report shooting
WorldNetDailyc.om ^ | February 7, 2007 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 02/07/2007 2:07:58 AM PST by Man50D

WND has obtained a Department of Homeland Security memo indicating Border Patrol agent Jose Compean made a complete, in-person verbal report to his supervisor at the scene immediately following the shooting incident for which he and colleague Ignacio Ramos are now in prison.

The May 15, 2005, report filed by DHS Special Agent Christopher Sanchez documents a conversation between Compean and his supervisor that explains the decision by all nine Border Patrol agents and supervisors on the scene not to file written reports.

As reported by WND yesterday, a DHS memo filed by Sanchez April 12, 2005, shows seven agents and two supervisors were present at the Feb. 17, 2005 incident also decided not to file written reports.

The April 12, 2005, DHS memo stated that all the agents present at the incident were equally guilty for not filing a written report.

These memos directly contradict the repeated statements of the prosecutor, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, that agents Ramos and Compean filed false reports about the incident.

As far as WND can determine, no written reports were filed by any of the Border Patrol agents or supervisors on the field.

Moreover, the record of the May 15, 2005, memo indicates Compean was truthful in reporting verbally to the most senior supervisor present at the incident.

Sanchez's memo of May 15, 2005, is a transcript of a hearing held by Compean with El Paso Border Patrol Sector Chief Louis Barker. The hearing was held at Compean's request in order to protest his proposed indefinite suspension resulting from his March 18, 2005, arrest on criminal charges.

The first part of the hearing was held April 7, 2005, before Compean's April 13, 2005, indictment. The second recording from the hearing is dated April 28, 2005.

At the administrative hearing, Compean was accompanied by union representative Robert Russell, a vice president of Local 1929, the El Paso branch of the National Border Patrol Council.

In the opening statement transcribed from the April 7, 2005, audio cassette, Russell makes Barker aware that Compean had made a complete report on the scene to Jonathan Richards, the more senior of the two supervisors who present at the incident.

Russell's testimony references a wound Compean suffered on his hand, a gash between the thumb and index finger, which he suffered when scuffling in the ditch with the drug smuggler, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, who had abandoned his vehicle and was attempting to escape back to Mexico on foot. Russell points to this wound as evidence of aggravated assault committed on Compean by the drug smuggler.

Here is Russell's recorded testimony:

Well, I mean, the base … the basis of this is basically … ummm … Mr. Compean … an assault took place that day against one of our agents, and he did defend himself, and the part of the assault is never mentioned in the complaint or anywhere by OIG (Office of Inspector General) that they know clearly how this did take place. A few sentences later, Russell again references that what transpired at the scene was observed by the agents and supervisors in the field and subsequently fully known to the Border Patrol management at the station in Fabens, Texas.

Russell indicates that management at Fabens themselves chose not to make a report about Compean's injury. Here is his testimony:

Even management at the station in Fabens was fully aware of what had transpired and for whatever reason nothing was ever generated … and once all this comes forward, I mean, it's my belief even his attorneys' belief that even once that does come forward and all that information is presented that the charges will possibly be dropped … or dismissed … or he will be found not guilty … based on that … what did transpire. Directly contradicting prosecutor Sutton's assertion that agents Ramos and Compean filed false reports, the April 2005 administrative hearing reveals Compean was forthcoming concerning the events of the incident.

In the second cassette, Russell makes clear that the reluctance to do more formal reporting after the incident came from supervisor Richards.

But the fact of the matter is an assault did take place. Umm … Mr. Richards did know about it. Umm … whether Mr. Compean … Mr. Compean said yes sir to this or whether he was assaulted or not … doesn't negate Mr. Richards responsibility to take some action from the facts that were presented to him as to what happened out there.

He was on the scene. He was told by another agent exactly what had happened and it pretty much apparently stopped at that point.

Russell argues Richards did not want to go through the trouble of filing written paperwork. So rather than press the hand injury, which Compean felt was minor, Compean gave in to Richards' pressure to forget about the hand injury, obviating the only issue the supervisor felt might be needed to document in writing.

Station Chief Barker asked Compean why he didn't report the shooting. Compean admitted that possibly a written report should have been filed, but he and the other Border Patrol on the scene considered the incident inconsequential.

Compean testified:

As …As I stated to … umm … to this earlier … I didn't … I just … I know it was wrong for us not to reported it and I … if I would have thought that he had been hit or anything like that had happened I would have … I didn't … I just … I knew we were going to get in trouble because the way … the way it's been at the station the last two … three years … uhh … I mean everything always comes down to the alien. The agents are as soon as anything comes up … it is always … always the agent's fault. The agents have always been cleared but, with management, it's always been the agent's fault. We're the ones that get in trouble. Compean continued to note that Aldrete-Davila escaped, and none of the agents in the field thought he had been hit. All the agents and supervisors in the field knew there had been a shooting and none of the agents or supervisors filed any written reports. There was no "cover-up" of anything that happened that day in the field, the documentation indicates. The only defect was failure by all to file a written report, including the two supervisors present.

Compean emphasized that the failure to report the incident was considered minor given the outcome:

He (Aldrete-Davila) was already gone back south. I … really didn't … didn't think he had been hit. The way I saw him walking back south he looked … he looked fine to us and we just didn't … nothing was ever said as … as to don't say anything keep your mouth shut nothing like that was ever … was ever brought up either. We just … we just didn't bring it up. Compean's testimony emphasized supervisor Richards pressured him not to file a written report:

When we got back to the station it was the same thing he asked me and the way … the way I … the way he … he asked me ... he made it seemed like he wanted me to say no and that's why I said it. By denying he had been injured, Compean made it possible for Richards to avoid the trouble of filing a written report on the incident.

The issue about filing a written report, according to Compean's testimony, turned on his willingness not to mention the assault. The decision not to file a written report did not turn on wanting to hide the fact that shooting had taken place.

Moreover, Richards was well aware Compean had been injured in a scuffling match with Aldrete-Davila on the levee, when he wrestled the drug smuggler down. Compean did not even realize his hand had been cut until Richards pointed it out to him at the levee.

The Customs and Border Patrol manual mentions that the penalty for failure to report the discharge of a firearm or use of a weapon as required by the applicable firearms policy is a written reprimand, or at most a five-day suspension for the first offense. The manual makes no mention of the possibility of criminal punishment for failure to report the discharge of a weapon.

In a last, more belligerent section of the hearing, Barker charges, "There was a shooting where somebody was shot and NOTHING WAS SAID!" The capital letters were in the original transcript, probably reflecting Barker's emphasis.

Russell responds, according to the transcript: "That was an administrative violation on his part by not reporting it to the agency, yes, but on the same part the agency failed to act when it knew that an agent had been assaulted."

Then, Russell himself shouts out, "EMPLOYEES SAW IT," pointing out seven Border Patrol agents besides Ramos and Compean, including two supervisors, were at the scene.

According to the transcript, the pressure on Compean not to file a written report came from Richards, the senior supervisor on the field.

Richards was applying pressure on Compean not to report the assault, because that would have demanded paperwork.

Moreover, according to the hearing transcript, there is no record Richards ever mentioned to Compean the need to file a written report on the shooting.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; compean; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; nifonged; ramos; sutton
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To: Uncle Chip

Can't tell from THIS article. I believe they were on the scene at some point, but don't know if that means they would have known exactly what happened, or if they were briefed by the agents.

This article contains a claim by the Union Representative Russell that two supervisors were there and knew what happened. I have no idea how the Union Rep would know that, or if he just took Compean's word, or just made it up to try to help Compean out.

The entire article is simply the statements of Compean and Russell, Compean who was accused, and Russell who had no first-hand knowledge.

A lot of WND stuff is based on the "testimony" of people like Russell, Bonner, and Ramirez, none of whom have ANY direct information about the case, but are simply repeating what they were told. Just like the report about Ramos's beating in prison was nothing more than a 3rd-hand account: the Father-in-law telling the reporter what he he said Ramos's wife said Ramos had said about what happened.

Other real news organizations actually talked to people at the prison.


81 posted on 02/07/2007 2:01:09 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
I'm in the electrical industry, Do you know how many people get shocked, and it (a report) is never gets higher than absolutely neccesary? If it's not on paper, it didn't ever happen.

This is vague.

I don't perceive that as vague, in the way that they (BP and those on the border who are front line everyday) see things.
82 posted on 02/07/2007 2:03:56 PM PST by Issaquahking (Pardon Compean and Ramos Now!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Well, then how about this one that I got from WND. Is it true?

Officials urged to resign for lie about border agents
Congressman calls for ouster of DHS deputies after IG admits agency gave false information



Posted: February 7, 2007
3:55 p.m. Eastern



© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas
A Republican congressman is calling for the resignation of Department of Homeland Security officials who he says lied about the case of two Border Patrol agents imprisoned for their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler.

As WND reported, at a congressional hearing yesterday, Rep. John Culberson of Texas confronted DHS Inspector General Richard Skinner about his agency's claim it had documentary proof of the guilt of former agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean.

"Richard Skinner admitted yesterday under oath that his top deputies gave members of Congress false information painting Border Patrol agents as rogue cops who were not in fear for their lives and who were 'out to shoot Mexicans,'" Culberson said in a statement.

Culberson said he believes false information was given to congressmen to "throw us off the scent and cover up what appears to be an unjust criminal prosecution of two U.S. law enforcement officers whose job was protecting our country's borders from criminals and terrorists."


83 posted on 02/07/2007 2:05:44 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

It has a shread of truth in it, woven into a set of conclusions which are simply opinion.

The DHS said they had certain written evidence in investigative reports. Now they say they don't have those reports.

It doesn't mean the facts which they claimed they had reports about are not facts, simply that they were wrong about what they had written down. Maybe they lost the reports, maybe the reports didn't provide the conclusive information they claimed.

My guess is a simply foul-up in transmitting information from the people that do the work to the people who have to talk to congressmen. No evidence it was done on purpose, or to "throw them off the scent". Although it certainly was meant to stop them from investigating further.

Now they need to have a hearing to figure out what the truth IS. But we don't know yet whether anybody really "lied", in the sense of knowingly and deliberately making false claims.

It could be that the head of DHS purposely lied to congressmen -- but since his lie was to promise documents that didn't exist, it's a pretty stupid lie.


84 posted on 02/07/2007 2:18:21 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jezebelle
It's way past that! Days in jail, repercussions, etc. These guys need a pardon, and settlement,with a cash PhD ($100 notes piled high and deep).What has happened here qualifies somewhere way on the other side of a travesty, miscarriage of justice, and extreme prejudice.This comes from either an incompetent, corrupt, or both, judicial FUBAR!

Because of this, and attachment to the administration, those involved are doing everything they can to cover their hides. They'd love to see it go away, but it's the 300 pound elephant in the room, and it won't die till we get to the bottom of this!
85 posted on 02/07/2007 2:20:33 PM PST by Issaquahking (Pardon Compean and Ramos Now!)
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To: Issaquahking

agreed.

Then put the prosecutor and a couple others in the general inmate population and see how well they fare.


86 posted on 02/07/2007 2:38:09 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: philman_36
According to the article...No, there were no written reports filed!

Alas, it's a WND article. Based on past history, I trust their accuracy and dedication to truth even less than I do AP's.

87 posted on 02/07/2007 2:45:39 PM PST by r9etb
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To: TomGuy

The reward Sutton is looking for isn't drug money, it's a federal judicial appointment. He is doing the bidding of people in Washington DC, not the Mexican border. Although it's getting hard to tell the two apart.


88 posted on 02/07/2007 2:57:15 PM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: Toadman

The "GIANT conspiracy" doesn't need to be that big. It mostly involves the Federal Prosecutors in Sutton's office. The judge is going to make sure procedures are properly followed, he's not responsible for bringing the charges or the quality of the evidence. Jurors aren't experts on the law, and often what looks to us like important information isn't allowed in court. The other BP agents are a tougher issue. The most credible argument for them going along with Sutton is that they were pressured to testify against Ramos and Compean or else they would join them as defendants. But that is speculation.


89 posted on 02/07/2007 3:09:32 PM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: r9etb
Alas, it's a WND article.
That schtick is getting tired. It's simply grasping for straws, IMO.
Based on past history, I trust their accuracy and dedication to truth even less than I do AP's.
Is there any place that you get reliable and accurate news? I'd be interested in that place as well, if you'd care to share...
90 posted on 02/07/2007 3:12:09 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Uncle Chip

YES


91 posted on 02/07/2007 4:56:46 PM PST by Ladycalif (Ramos and Compean - We Are Safer When They Are Out)
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To: philman_36
Is there any place that you get reliable and accurate news? I'd be interested in that place as well, if you'd care to share...

It's difficult to find such a place. But that doesn't alter the fact that WND's track record is even more egregious than most.

92 posted on 02/07/2007 8:13:27 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
It's difficult to find such a place.
So to you there is no such place, right?
But that doesn't alter the fact that WND's track record is even more egregious than most.
So why do you even bother coming onto this site if there are no news sources that you trust? Does it then become your job to be a net nanny and go around telling everybody that all news sources are innacurate, and some more so than others? Are you here just to chat?! What a waste!
There are ADULTS here. (or there's supposed to be) We're all fully aware that all things read should be taken with a grain of salt and verified.

I don't see you trying to verify, just vilify.

93 posted on 02/08/2007 1:41:15 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Berosus; Cincinatus' Wife; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; Fedora; ..

G'night all.


94 posted on 02/11/2007 8:11:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, February 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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